What could happen to you is that your hearing apparatus gets damaged to the point of getting permanent severe tinnitus and hyperacusis. These are not mild conditions - they are life changing conditions that bring people to the brink of suicide.
To give you an idea of how serious it is, it is just second to Chronic Pain in terms of suicide ideation in the population, and higher than Parkinsons', Insomnia, and advanced cancer. See https://journals.lww.com/thehearingjournal/Fulltext/2016/070...
Tinnitus has no cure and no viable treatment other than mind-related techniques to help you cope: there is no way to lessen the symptoms. It is a terrible predicament to be put in, and if you are unlucky enough to suffer from a severe version of it, it can easily take away your ability to think, socialize, and sometimes perform basic tasks.
Unfortunately, protecting your hearing isn't sufficient to dodge tinnitus & hyperacusis: there are other ways that can lead to it, such as ototoxic medications, ear infections or other ear conditions such as otosclerosis, cholesteatoma, etc. Still, it's your best line of defense, as one of the biggest causes for Tinnitus is noise induced hearing loss. Please take it seriously.
it seems most gps don't know about the condition, and on their advice I waited until about a week after. Now I'm permanently deaf in one ear, with severe tinnitus.
At one week after onset you were still in the treatment window, but unfortunately it doesn't always work (and obviously, the sooner the better - but my surgeon told me he's seen cases as late as 2 months recover after treatment).
I imagine you got steroids prescribed? Oral or intratympanic?
I really hope there is a cure one day.
Expecting young people to make individually good decisions based on advice from old people has limited reach. It's no substitute for a culture and regulations that make hearing protection easy and normative in the contexts where it's most needed. I don't know if we could create that culture for loud music concerts, but it would be a good cause.
One nice thing about going everywhere with a backpack is I'm used to having earbuds with me so now, I just don't take them out of my ears when I get to a movie. I still hear everything and it doesn't sound muffled, merely...turned down, I guess, to a "good" volume.
I first hit on this when I forgot to take my earbuds out prior to, of all things, a Weird Al concert (his "Vanity" tour at The Moore in Seattle). I'd ridden the bus down there and had VIP tickets for the pre-show stuff so I sat and watched it with my earbuds in for listening to his music during the lulls in the pre-show activities. When Emo Phillips started, I forgot to take them out and realized after the show that my ears weren't ringing (louder than usual) and I didn't have the beginnings of a headache.
So, at least anecdotally you're not wrong about the superhero and big-budget action movies being louder.
For anyone else that doesn't want to carry a backpack, a set of earplugs fits great in the coin pouch of a wallet, or attached as a keychain.
I will often work with my earbuds in with nothing playing just because of the slight noise dampening effect. It's usually just enough.
I've listened to a bunch of concerts and nightclubs, but I think its sitting behind the computer for 40 hours/week with headphones on that really killed my hearing. It doesn't have to be so loud, just combined with lots of hours each day isn't good.
I've started getting regular hearing tests and cut back headphones to a few hours a week, but I miss the music.
Don't overdo the headphones!!
A related piece of info from there is that rock/metal music is supposed to be loud: drums blasting away, amps cranked up. But when recording and mixing you take all that loud sound and energy and put it into an audio file that will most likely be played back with lower volumes on all kinds of devices.
This is one of the main problems of mixing this kind of music: making music that is supposed to be LOUD sound good at low volumes. So probably if that goal isn't achieved in a perfect way then cranking the volume up will make it sound better.
Another important thing I learned from that thread is that in general for us humans "louder" is perceived as "better". Good example, a demonstration of a compressor plugin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6D9WvwMNr8
Plugin quality aside, you can easily hear that "on" parts are all louder than "off" parts, and that really makes the demo "unfair" in that they sound better simply by being louder.
And a related theory I've read long ago (sorry, don't remember where) is that experiencing music at damaging volumes gives us some kind of masochistic pleasure. This is why there are always people hanging right next to speakers at loud shows, be it rock or EDM.
I could see this being the case, sort of like how some people (me) enjoy torturing themselves with extremely spicy peppers and foods.
https://ehomerecordingstudio.com/fletcher-munson-curve/ breaks down how this affects your perception of music based on how loud it is. In the instance of that link, it's in regards to mixing recorded music, but it's apparent anytime you're listening to audio.
I was young, stupid and wrong.
I'm 40 now and I have pretty much continuous tinnitus.
Protect your ears, people.
Today, my right ear “cringes” (only word I can use to describe the feeling) when anything loud like a restroom hand-dryer goes off for more than a few seconds.
I wear earplugs to all concerts now.
That said, it's still scared me. I'm convinced it came from years of listening to music loudly on headphones. I discovered quality headphones as a teenager, probably when I was 16 or so, and remember being blown away by the fidelity of the sound.
Late last year I decided to invest in a more expensive speaker setup for my home PC, and I've tried to commit myself to using it over headphones and only at a reasonable volume. The latter I find is self-enforced easily by my being in an apartment complex. I went with the Audioengine A5+ speakers and their associated subwoofer. Combined, it was more than twice what I'd paid for headphones in the past, but overall I've been extremely impressed. The speakers produce a clarity that is similar to what I'm used to with headphones, and they're actually much better at producing a wide sound stage.
My hearing when I was a kid was as good as my mom's. She's a musician and has always protected her hearing. She's in her 80s and has far better hearing than me.
You will never regret taking a bit of extra effort to protect your hearing. It's never too late to start, either.
I try to compensate by pretty much never listening to music otherwise, but I feel like I’m going to be struggling in 20 years.
Some advice: How loud flying is doesn't seem to be appreciated. I don't see any mention of it in the comments here, and when I fly I am one of the few with any hearing protection as far as I can tell. I wear both earplugs and earmuffs. Don't laugh too hard. I've found both to be noticeably better than either alone. I used to fly with nothing, but my tinnitus would be amplified for days after flying. Aside from some people on the plane thinking that I'm weird, I once had a TSA guy ask me if I intended to go shooting when he saw my earmuffs.
I think I've accepted my tinnitus and bad hearing for the most part. It rarely bothers me, and to be honest I sometimes find the tinnitus to be soothing. I think that's because I never knew any different. Tinnitus is the sound of silence to me. I speculate that others who develop these conditions later might feel some loss that I don't.
In my case, it was operating a stump grinder that did it. I was so eager to operate this cool power equipment that I didn't take a few minutes to get hearing protection. Big, big mistake.
Please take care of your hearing.
> I’ve tested a few pairs of those kinds of headphones already, actually. Even, Beyerdynamic, Nuraphone, MEE... if you have ok hearing, they aren’t worth it, and possibly problematic if you already have hearing damage.
> I’d spoken to an audiologist who is an expert in noise induced hearing loss, and he said that with no AMA oversight, there is no way of knowing if the raised frequency ranges could cause more damage on top of existing. The accuracy of the tests and programs on these vary wildly.
In other words, by boosting the volume of the ranges you’re having difficulty hearing, it might actually increase your hearing loss in those ranges. I’m not an audiologist, but that makes a lot of sense. I’m steering clear of this class of headphones until there’s more known about them.
The speaker in the driver's door caused that window pane to vibrate in my left ear.
There are special ear plugs for riders too, that would cut out the wind noise, while you're still able to hear your engine, other occupants of the road and comms inside helmet if you do ride with intercom.
...lol, yeah well now I take care of my ears. 13 year old me played Slipknot as loud as possible and thought I was impressing everyone around me.
Is it too late for me? Would my hearing recorder if I gave it a break?
> TMNMT affected tinnitus loudness after 6 months but it was shown to be superior to the placebo condition after 12 months.
> Taken together, our results display a positive effect of three months of TMNMT on the subjective tinnitus perception, especially concerning tinnitus loudness.
But it's one of those things that definitely needs more study.
That's what you get for using boutique plugs instead of the good old cheap foam ones that do -30 dB.
Flat frequency attenuation ... for a rock concert?
Okay, first of all, due to the Fletcher Munson curves, the perception of bass versus treble is affected by volume. If you want to hear the proper amount of bass that you're supposed to hear at concert volume, but at a lower volume, you in fact need to attenuate the highs more; certainly not flat attenuation.
Why not use wine corks for ear plugs; then you can literally do cork sniffing before putting them in.
They're pretty good, not perfect. They remove the screechy it's too loud feeling I get at concerts but there is a little degradation in sound quality.
I read somewhere that The Who played an outdoor concert in London in the 70s that was so loud fish in a nearby park went belly-up in the ponds they inhabited. I wonder how the kids at that show are faring now, hearing-wise.
My dad is suffering terribly from tinitus he attributes to a Rolling Stones concert where he was right up next to the speakers. He says the frequency loss lines right up with a howling guitar solo.
I would say they are not faring very well.
This is one reason using dBA for everything is silly. They work at about 60dB SPL. They used to have a dB(B) for about 80dB, and then you use dBC for levels above 100dB. Even worse, dBA as a measure for sound limits for heavy machinery, which is a complete abuse, as this hides the power of lower and higher frequencies, and hearing damage is not interested in hearing sensitivity.
Boutique plugs sound better because they attenuate less. Louder sounds better.
A fair A/B comparison of two audio signals requires them to be level-matched. When two samples are being compared, where one is louder, listeners will tend to be biased toward preferring the louder one.