I have the KeyOne and while I love the feature and it works somewhere between OK and excellent, I have trouble correctly using the typing-oriented gestures (auto complete, delete word). I end up avoiding them because I just can't make them work with near 100% accuracy (accuracy being one of the main points of a physical keyboard to me).
Imagine you already have optical tracking available for XY finger position. So all you want from the keyboard is sensitive "is the finger near xy really touching?" bits. Without compromising the expert typing experience (eg FlickBoard). Any thoughts on nice ways to approach this?
Spray every keycap with 4 conductive pads, and run 400+ wires... :/
So the objective is to have per-finger high-quality is-it-touching-or-not-quite touch determination, on a good keyboard. Perhaps made easier by having high-quality XY position available from the optical tracking.
A keyboard where every keycap was a multitouch touchpad would work... but seems problematic.
Monotouch pads are more feasible, but imagine home row fingers now shifted half a key to the left, so finger tips touch multiple keys, and keys are touched by multiple fingers. Now detect tapping, when the tapped key remains continuously touched, and the tapping finger may be in contact with other adjacent fingers.
One could wire together all keys, if say you have finger-tip electrodes. And wired fingers have the bonus of providing good touch determination for finger-finger contact, instead of just finger-key. But the pragmatics of electrodes on skin are messy, and gloves badly sacrifice typing experience.
Ah well. Thanks. Perhaps the Tactual PRISM keyboard will work out.
Their proposed use-case of e.g. phones and tablets (see: already touch-enabled devices) makes me wonder... why use an inferior touchpad on a keyboard when you could just reach up and touch the screen to begin with? Especially with the things they're demoing: moving your cursor to click on something (just tap it) or scrolling (just... scroll normally?). I use a laptop with a "real" touchpad and still prefer just reaching out and touching the screen for most of these tasks already; if I'm not going to use a real touchpad for these kinds of things, why would I use a worse version built into a keyboard (which also probably prevents the keyboard from being as good of a keyboard)?
Using this for a non-touch device or from longer distances (like from your couch) makes so much more sense... especially when you consider how awful mice (and separate touchpads) are on e.g. couches.
The laptop approach of the touchpad close to and rigidly coupled to the keyboard is a big improvement as you can move thumbs from the spacebar and back without looking. This is why I use the internal keyboard even when an external keyboard would be otherwise convenient.
This device could be a way to reduce even that friction. Though I think we're better off encouraging people to make sure their apps can be completely controlled from the keyboard (unless of course the app really is appropriate for a pointing device, such as some photo editing).
TrackPoint. You want a TrackPoint.
But the thing in the post might be a better solution if both the keyboard and the touchpad work well. A great illustration of the classic principle: good design compromises in a contradiction, clever design eliminates the contradiction.
Is the Microsoft All In One any better?
Its even worst in my experience... both are trash. I reverted to a regular wireless keyboard & trackball for sofa use.
this looks like it's half the size of those two... so that's at least somewhat better.
Even basic things like palm rejection is done in software and for this one to switch between keyboard and trackpad in the fly you’ll need very good software that can predict just what you were intending to do.
Palm rejection is a thing that kinda makes sense to handle in software. For this thing, I'd expect firmware to be actually a bit beefer than usual.
Because better is subjective.
So this looks interesting to me... but possibly suffers from the same problem of inadvertent activation.
Also there's different concavity nibbles and people have very religious-like preferences for one style over another so I won't disclose my persuasion ... There's really really cheap variety packs to find out yours (like < $3 shipped)
Default TrackPoint handling is now libinput (as of 2017?)
And regrettably, this regressed acceleration profile editing on older TrackPoint hardware. Apparently it was diverse and buggy, and libinput developer resources are limited, so older ThinkPads may need to update their firmware, or are simply wontfix.
When your TrackPoint has a good acceleration profile, it can be magical. When not, it feels like you're fighting the stick, and stressing your finger. I have one of each, so going back on forth, I get both "oh, wow, this is awesome!" and "yipes, this awful".
TrackPoint seems an odd case. Laptop hardware not working on linux is a familiar thing. But unless you know what you're missing, you may not recognize a severely-suboptimally configured TrackPoint. And without customization, your default TrackPoint experience can be really bad.
I thought that's what the bumps on the f and j keys were for.
The same can be done to other keys, I think―if you have the unfortunate configuration of an unsplit F-row, for example.
Other than that, it looks like a nice keyboard. I wonder if mouse activity and keyboard activity conflict with each other, that your mouse starts moving while you only wanted to type or something...
I have two mice on my workstation. At least in Windows it just accumulates the movement. E.g. move left left, right right about the same amount and you'll have the cursor just moving around a little bit but staying mostly in place.
I have been a ThinkPad user all my life but the trackpoint hurt my fingers (like another commented here)
Mouse and trackpad need a switch.
I like keynav but its slow and I'm wondering if with prqctise I will actually get somewhere or will forever remain slow?
I am hoping to take things to the next level.
Currently am looking at wiring a game controller-style thumb joystick to a Contra keyboard.
I really liked my FingerWorks keyboard, but it kind of died out for me once FingerWorks stopped producing firmware updates for it. I don't know how well this keyboard works, but I'd be happy with it if it worked at least as well as my FingerWorks keyboard did.
Given the many abandoned companies in HID space, I checked... Wayback Machine has the web site as new in 2019.
I still have a functional touchstream and it's a fantastic device. The drivers even still sort work on Linux.
And optical tracking. Though that last millimeter of "is it actually touching or not quite" is hard to do without hardware support from the keyboard.
 https://vimeo.com/258421095 http://www.tactuallabs.com/
It's far less common to use email to contact a customer in Korea.
As you can see email is not even a required field in the sign-up page. The customers prefer to receive notifications via SMS (or Kakaotalk nowadays) then email. Actually email is almost meaningless in Korea for contacting method to consumers.
If the company send official release news to sing-up customers on email only, they might complain that the company contact them on email for such an important announcement.
Email is the least serious communication channel in Korea. Even in Business-to-Business situations email is usually used for sending files, not for communications.
The noticeable one is they often have worst email names such as firstname.lastname@example.org and they use it in business. So don't suprise if you get a wired email name from Koreans.
Can anyone see how you switch between keyboard and touchpad mode? Or does it guess based on gestures? I tried to find it in the user manual, but it appears to only be in Korean.
> Mokibo saves 60% of mode chnage between keyboard and touchpad which are 50-100 hours in a year.
Does really that (or keyboard/mouse change) amount to 50-100 hours in a year?
Years ago I had a machine aluminum frame that held a wireless mac desktop keyboard and associated mouse together as a single unit and allowed typing and touchpading on the desktop just like a laptop. I found this to be much better than a touchpad to either side of the keyboard and especially much better than a touchpad to the right of a 104-key sized keyboard. Would love to have that again.
For example, the pinch-to-zoom demo looks janky compared to two-finger pinch on an actual MacBook trackpad.
It says there are 80 touch sensors, but presumably each sensor is like a mini track pad, not just an "on or off".
We probably have to wait for some more hands-on videos, but the product itself looks promising.
If you're a trackpoint user, Lenovo's usb/bluetooth thinkpad keyboard offers the same kb+mouse combo in a similar form factor.
But... I hate laptop-style keyboards and can't see myself moving back after switching to mechanical keyboards, if I can at all help it.
This way it's ergonomic and productive, as I never move my hands. Seems like a better solution, to me, than passing your fingers through the bumpy keys "islands"...
People seem to be confused as to whether the resolution is one unit per key, or if there is a grid on each key. Clearly, based on the video, it is much higher than one unit of resolution per key.
Noting enough machine learning cannot solve :)
These guys haven't mentioned switches so i guess they're using cheaper variants to cut down costs. something to be aware of...
If so, it’s terrible as a trackpad.
• If you allow tap-to-click, users are likely to trigger false positives from resting on the keys
• If you allow press-to-click, users will be unable to click in many positions (e.g. the intersection of 3 keys)
(Which I would to appreciate, as both clicking and tapping has never been the most reliable for me on touchpads.., but a keyboard click? Always reliable, and always responsive)