I agree the situation should be handled delicately, and hopefully diplomatically, to a mutually-agreeable outcome. At the same time, continuing to rely on the Pakistani government to make progress here would be foolish given their poor track record in dealing with domestic terror groups. After all, America acted unilaterally in the hunt for Osama bin Laden because the Pakistani government was unreliable. To this day many sources allege the direct involvement of many Pakistani officials in harboring OBL (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/10/14...).
That said, this was expected. India's diplomacy and restraint has been tested time and time again. It has taken a page from Israel, US & Russia's book. India is only cleaning up the mess that Pakistan should've cleared on its side of the border.
However, it may also well be false, despite the assurances of India to the contrary.
I do know that if this escalates into a 'real' war, or, heaven forbid, a nuclear exchange, between the two countries, then the question of whether or not this attack was justified will be completely irrelevant.
It's high time these air strikes were conducted. They had it coming. We made sure no civilians were killed. Only those terrorists.
Before being techie's or engineer's, we are Indian's first, and we are very proud of these air strikes.
Paki's don't let us live in peace and it's high time the terrorists they harbored were blown off to pieces. Those cowards wage proxy war against us.
Would you call US a coward for raiding bin Laden's camp in Abbottabad and bringing him down? Would you condemn Israel when they target Hamas militants?
Shame and disgrace on you, sir! You have indirectly justified terrorism and Pakistan's cowardice.
India didn’t get authorization from the UN Security Council nor was this in self defense.
I think your bias may be showing.
Till now, US & Pak interests were aligned so US acted as broker, meaning Pak based terrorists went Scott free.
For the first time in history a US president has dropped the usual advice of restraint.
Of course, I'm not saying India should bomb Karachi, that's against common sense. Because civilians are killed in such a strike. But targeting a terror camp on a mountain is justified after you know that 50+ Army men were maryted in a bomb vehicle attack 12days ago. And that terror attack was carried out by JeM
The border is labelled "line of control" on the maps. What India bombed is in the part of Kashmir-then-India that Pakistan effectively controls but that other countries don't recognise.
Moreover this targeted terrorist camps in remote areas, and not Pakistani military or civilian targets.
* India bombs terror camps and can show it's retaliation for the suicide attack.
* Pak has always denied existence of the camps - so of course they 'missed' and bombed empty ground. Helps them save face internally.
Nuclear powers are burdened with a far greater need for restraint out of necessity than non-nuclear powers, even in the face of provocation.
And yet, despite knowing that their cause was hopeless, and that the war would be unwinnable, the government of Imperial Japan knowingly committed suicide, by attacking the United States in 1941.
This is one of the reasons I find the principles underpinning MAD to be fairy tales. In matters of war, belligerents do not behave rationally.
As Einstein said, lunacy is doing the same thing again and again and expect a different result.
Anyway, that expression is misattributed:
They don't let us live in peace. They try to attack us everyday. They wage a proxy war against us.
We are seriously re-thinking if their nuclear weapons should be taken into account anymore.
Five hundred million?
As many as it takes? Or is there a limit?
What if the conflict kills five hundred people on your side, and fifty on theirs? Do you also consider that a good exchange?
Terrorism isn't going away itself. One or both the nations need to take action on them.
Everyone who was killed in this attack was willing to die to kill innocent Indians, civilians included. So, from that standpoint it is a completely justified attack.
Note that the Pakistani analysts predicted this a long time ago (Indian opposition parties also understand this) that the Indian PM Modi would create a war like situation with Pakistan before their upcoming elections.
Let's please stick to hacker-friendly content? This stuff will just invites a flamewar, and we've got enough war talk happening in the real world.
I never thought I'd see something like this on HN, but there's a first time for everything.
: This citation translates it incorrectly, but I speak the language. It still corroborates the gist of the content. https://twitter.com/neeraj21345/status/1097585602365542400
I did feel sad even JeM attacked the military convey along with every Pakistani in my immediate surrounding. A loss of life is a terrible thing, and we've been victims of terrorism for years. I'm sorry, were you expecting a different response?
There's never been any concrete evidence of Pakistani involvement, and trust me I've spent my time looking into the diplomatic cables, Hacking Group leaks, searching through Urdu texts, etc. I've only ever been able to find evidence of right suppression in the case of the Pushtoon Tahaffuz Movement, and I've called it for what it is. You can name alleged names, or point to circumstances as you wish but if you believe in something without direct evidence, I can't help you there.
Just know that if Pakistan responds to this escalation in kind, this "belligerent Pakistani masquerading as a pacifist" will be sad then, too.
> This is getting funny now
Since this conversation isn't constructive, I'm going to disengage now. Have a pleasant night!