What? That's it? Damn. That's nothing. Maybe free speech being rampant breeds thick skins, maybe free speech is a good thing.
These trolls just want to feel big. Bullying other countries make them feel big. Especially when the smaller country in question the one they dream of conquering.
I think it's just young uneducated idiots, taking credit for the accomplishments of their nation that they personally had no part in to try to convince people they argue with online that they aren't as insecure as they obviously are.
It's an inferiority complex.
The cheapest sort of pride is national pride; for if a man is proud of his own nation, it argues that he has no qualities of his own of which he can be proud; otherwise he would not have recourse to those which he shares with so many millions of his fellow men. The man who is endowed with important personal qualities will be only too ready to see clearly in what respects his own nation falls short since their failings will be constantly before his eyes. But every miserable fool who has nothing at all of which he can be proud adopts, as a last resource, pride in the nation to which he belongs; he is ready and glad to defend all its faults and follies tooth and nail, thus reimbursing himself for his own inferiority.
– Arthur Schopenhauer
Aphorisms on the Wisdom of Life
My best guess is Winnie the Pooh was a hint that prompted people to look for more political innuendos, which they found plenty, mostly consisting of ethnic slurs at the mainlanders that mapped exactly to IRL Taiwanese slurs against the Chinese. This game was praised with a passion in China for its quality but people felt betrayed when they found out they are being played.
Really not seeing any resemblance... ?
Again, much cultural context is lost in presenting this issue as merely censoring Winnie the Pooh. Remember, the Winnie the Pooh meme was invented by Chinese netizens to mock Xi. They continue to do so, but things stop being fun and games when the meme is used to mock themselves.
I do not believe this is related to free speech because the font used in seal are rarely use today， most people can not recognize them.
Lol, I love how you single out the left here, as if the American right is any different, haha
The academy, K-12 educational establishment, news and entertainment media are all overwhelmingly ruled by exclusionary leftists. A right-winger cannot avoid massive exposure to their ideas and thus develops coping strategies. Left-wingers, on the other hand, can easily reach adulthood without ever having to actually think about and grapple with an argument against e.g. abortion or mass immigration.
The reason for anger I've heard from Chinese gamers is that they turned this issue political whereas in the past games didn't involve politics and they're pissed that their apolitical space has been invaded. As well, streaming the game has gotten Chinese game-streamers in trouble or having to take down their streams/videos.
you can read the Chinese comments yourselves, they're well-written in English
Except that Steam offers full refund without removing your review. This is a well-known strategy for review spammers ;)
"The term "White Terror" in its broadest meaning refers to the entire period from 1947 to 1987. Around 140,000 Taiwanese were imprisoned during this period, of which from about 3,000 to 4,000 were executed for their real or perceived opposition to the Kuomintang (KMT, Chinese Nationalist Party) government led by Chiang Kai-shek." (wikipedia)
So those guys evidently don't hold in high esteem domestic or foreign oppression.
But somehow Detention was a great game for the mainland chinese and a historic remark for taiwan's atrocities to its own people (a true statement) but now they have become angry because of a pixel poster with a reference to a meme about their little dictator?
I think they should change the poster with the tank man and be done with it.
Too bad they can brute force their way through capitalistic ways of buying power and reviews.
It seems these days I can't watch a Chinese video without some political fight breaking out in the comments over small perceived slights. I guess if during the height of the Cold War, the Russians made a game that made fun of the US, there may have been a similar response, but it's hard to imagine these days if a game company put an Orange Donkey Kong and called it Trump that anyone but a few Trump fans would get upset.
Streisand effect in the making?
People know Taiwan != China. The censorship is a projection of power, not hiding a secret.
Nobody calling the king fat because he cuts off heads doesn't change the fact that everybody can see he is indeed overweight.
Damn. While I get the position of the Taiwanese, I sometimes wish they'd send more middle fingers at the mainland. "yeah, xi jinping is a dumpling, fuckm, we apologise for nothing."
As if Taiwan is an existential threat to prc by hurling insults as dramatic as "Winnie the Pooh" across the strait. Just seems like more bullying to me.
There is no way you can get a product which doesn't use Chinese parts as many rare metals are minned in large quantities (hences lower cost) in China only.
Not only did they get free publicity, but they've gotten the communist party to publicly (and internationally) telegraph not just how petty they are, but also how much the communist government fears a threat to their power from within mainland China.
Who accept that?
I as one growing up from mainland does not think that's fair. It's just the country showing its power and influence.
Your question should be framed on the thread, not extending beyond what's currently being discussed.
Tons of PRC citizens. Why haven't they "review bombed" their own government? Why did they flock to the internet to yell at GAP when it released a sweater with the proper map of PRC on it, with no Taiwan displayed?
As for context, no discussion happens without it. We're not doing logarithms here, we're talking about geopolitics. I reject the notion that I should keep my discussion "framed."
It not only has nothing to do with race, it has nothing to do with national boundary, political association, or anything else. It's just a thing that we (westerners) take as a fundamental right.
It's irrelevant, but I also doubt that a substantial percentage of mainlanders actually have their feelings hurt by comparing the ruler to Winnie the Pooh...
How is that possible. If you are educated to love someone as your dearest, how would you not taking ill if someone else is mocking that person.
It's a separate issue that if that education is good or bad. But you got to set your context right: no feeling is automatically born, it's from experience.
> but I also doubt that a substantial percentage of mainlanders actually have their feelings hurt by comparing the ruler to Winnie the Pooh...
Well, if you are not from China, then do not doubt how I would quantify the impact.
Let me tell you, a random tier-3 dota player from a SEA pro team, "kuku", said some racial slang on a pub game. And then he was threatened to death, and so many people voiced their angry that the Dota2 maker, Valve, has to officially ban that player so that he wont enter the country and causes unnecessary issues for the company (well, you know any company bend to profits).
Do not paraphrase what you know to other nations, especially one that has their culture and history inherited since 2k+ years ago.
Can you expand on the relevance of this? It seems you're implying that your regional history and culture is somehow older/better than anyone else's. That would be silly - European culture extends so far back their early governments were eloping with Egyptian Pharos.
It's also silly because you and I have nothing at all to do with our country's history - it happened before we were born, and we didn't get a choice of nationhood.
PS: I cannot help hn visitors are getting more and more narrow minded. The discussion is becoming more and more laborious as more and more good intended contexts have to be explicitly called out to avoid meaningless emotional damage repair.
Sure, but you were implying the OP knew less than you, simply because you are (I assume) Chinese. This is a remarkable claim to make on the internet - the OP could be a Chinese historian steeped in far more history than yourself. It's just a strange thing to say so I wanted to call it out.
Who here has been narrow minded and in what way? When I asked why it's acceptable for Chinese netizens to downvote a game to oblivion because the game has an easter egg calling Xi Jinping "Winnie the Pooh," but not acceptable for GAP to release a proper map of the PRC on their sweaters (that doesn't include Taiwan), you answered that I was "talking out of context." I would argue in this thread you have been narrow-minded, literally "unwilling to see the other side of the argument."
Because we view the right of free political speech as vastly more important that peoples feelings.
I'm not saying people don't get their feelings hurt over political speech, they do. I'm saying that it doesn't matter and the speaker doesn't have to change what they are saying as a result. Per typical western values anyways, you are of course free to disagree. That doesn't make people racist, it has nothing to do with race (or nationality/political association/anything else).
> Well, if you are not from China, then do not doubt how I would quantify the impact.
No. This is wrong in a few ways
- Accepting a random internet persona's statements as truth without evidence is obviously ridiculous - particularly when there are known to be paid actors influencing the discussion.
- Lack of first hand experience does not mean you can't make reasonable inferences about the situation.
- One persons on the ground experience does not generalize to a billion people.
That said, I don't really particularly care to debate whether or not a substantial number of peoples feelings were hurt. I don't think it's important and I don't think it's a discussion that is likely to result in any useful progress in anyone's understanding of the situation.
I suggest that you refrain from buying anything.
Could just be damage control while they snigger behind their hands for all I know.