FWIW, removed on Firefox too:
and lastModified works in both (and IE):
This is something that I often wrote in the past also on HN: businesses desire stability and administerability for the software that they use. In the past, Microsoft was best at satisfying this desire.
It's unfortunate end users have to be dragged along kicking and screaming, but thankfully google is willing to do it for the end users own good.
I mean, i get it, I liked inbox too, but gmail is basically inbox 2.0 now.
Windows 7 is still supported and only runs IE11, no Edge
Windows 10 LTSB is still supported and only runs IE11, no Edge
If you need to support any of those OSes, there's no way around supporting IE11.
LTSB is not intended for computers which browse the web. It's very specifically only intended for things like embedded platforms like computers operating medical devices. Aka, things that require the Windows kernel to run, and insane platform stability, and literally like nothing else. Business users who need a desktop should be running Enterprise, which does allow you to disable all the things most Windows installs don't, but is far more capable than LTSB.
Often we wish we could buy Win7 to delete the Win10 on the Win10 machines.
Win10 somehow, is less reliable, often doing weird things, updating without permission, sending strange data out, have security update that kill half of our online bank apps, our another update that make the keyboard stop working, or nag about Cortana at same time Cortana is not available in our country, show ads, etc...
The only reason the Win10 machines are still Win10 is because Win10 was part of the deal when buying said machines...
Even if you could install Windows 7, you would be very mistaken in doing so, as it would put your company at significantly greater risk. Even while security updates are still available, the differences in the platform already lead to scenarios where large malware infections tend to be almost entirely on machines which weren't running Windows 10.
If someone really just doesn't like Windows 10, my advice is to switch to Linux. Continuing to run obsolete operating systems just isn't okay. :)
The bigger problem is that Edge does not, and never will, support ActiveX.
If that's the case, there's zero reason to assume that they will let their Chromium based Edge run on Windows 7 either.
Microsoft is now building a Chromium-powered version of its Edge browser that will be available for testing in the coming weeks. It’s being decoupled from Windows 10, and businesses will be able to install Edge on Windows 7 or Windows 8.
Probably offer something better=new skin of chrome or go fuck yourself - microsoft
I can't help but wonder from time to time what would be using Gecko now if they were reasonable to embed.
Microsoft may want us to move on from IE but they've created the apps that REQUIRE us to keep using IE.
They still only officially support Internet Exploder, and when we switched to Chrome as our office standard they forced an addon that opens certain incompatible sites like ADP.com in IE if you try to visit them in Chrome.
So if you're that one guy, _can you not_, thanks!
Running a 'webbrowser' other than lynx/links/w3m implies a GUI, which makes no sense as you wouldn't have a GUI on a server.
The only browser on your server should be the one you need to run there. How about a server to automate some Windows GUI thing or to run mobile OS emulators like BrowserStack does? You're gonna need a GUI there because going "headless" is not always an option depending on how interesting your work is.
I've also used server editions of Linux and Windows as my workstation throughout my career because they have features that I needed or just the convenience of having the same exact setup as production.
Most cloud revenue is from Windows only shops who use active directory, SharePoint...
When Microsoft harassed users off internet explorer, people didn't jump to Edge as they hoped. They ran to Chrome.
I predict the same happening for enterprise. If companies have to dev new software when leaving IE, it might cost less to just jump to Linux.
I knew they would ocme to their senses eventually so I stopped using IE about 10-12 years ago!!
It's more of a browser than any shell around chromium will ever be.
An eggshell isn't an egg.
There's a browser there, but it's copied wholesale. And it's the worst thing to copy if you care about the future of web standards.
You are right that a Chromium monoculture is bad for the future of web standards.
Google does try to make sites look like applications, and on Chrome OS, it doesn't distinguish them too well, but they are still HTML/JS and do not reach into the OS like ActiveX did.
But ActiveX as it was implemented and presented with IE was horrendous. Binaries with access to the full system (and a "kill bit" hack needed to protect users from bad ones), doing things like local applications but not manageable like local applications, and security responsibilities handwaved by cryptic dialogs and warnings end users typically don't read or understand and everyone blames the IT department for.
It's a shame Edge didn't take off. That was practically IE without ActiveX and it was quick if you wanted a basic browser experience, kinda like how Chrome used to be when it was first around.
That does not make the shell itself an egg.
Microsoft is promising to make a shell, and to not make anything else.
Egg fakeEgg = new Egg(brown);
Remember that the baseline is questioning whether IE counts as a legitimate browser. If you're even slightly unsure about IE, then "shell around chromium" has to be far far on the no side of the line.
I've never used windows ever, from ver 1 through the horrible 95 and NT, till v8 and onwards with it's spyware built in.
Glad to hear IE is also going away.
Enjoy your backslashes guys!
I was a Classic Mac guy. In 1999 I started using Linux (SuSE 5.1) When OS X came along it broke compatibility with all existing expensive Mac hardware, so I just continued on with Linux. Linux got better. And better. And better. Etc.
I've never owned a Windows PC.
I use Windows at work where I am not responsible for maintaining it. I use Windows Data Center, Hyper-V, etc. But I have never personally owned a Microsoft product. No need.
This is just Microsoft discouraging the use of IE, Windows will still be around for a long time.
In many ways I've been lucky that I've been able to keep it to UNIX and Mac OS.