https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19087558 (754 points/841 comments)
1. What stops china from flooding reddit with "ending the stupid tariffs against china" users now, without 150M investment?
2. How effective this will be anyway? I mean, it's not like White House looks into /r/politics for a foreign policy tips? This is rather weird way to influence policy, when you have such tools as, say, lobbying.
2. They're not trying to influence policy, but young impressionable Redditors. Even a 1% change in opinion can be huge at key moments, narrative framing is still effective, even things like the semblance of disagreement can be massively persuading.
I've witnessed my own national subreddit turn from a great little corner of the internet to a shill-ridden shithole. It probably only took the coordination of two or three real full-time people, some coordination on mod replacement, and clever software. But it has been remarkably effective.
The same tactics that worked for my little country would probably work as well or better in other subreddits, and there's no real creativity required to pull it off.
i think the fact that Reddit is losing money and needs cash infusion counts as surface exuse.
I imagine a near future HR department feeding sent-mail writing samples into a service that categorizes people based on their relative fit and a risk assessment that uses subreddit cultures as a base set.
Reddit has some amazing communities for tech and hobbies, it also had some dark places.
Reddit influences the urban population hugely.
It's unsustainable to upheld this rule only for the one government and allow foreigin governments and companies that must obey them to have different rules.
Reddit has been blocked in china 90-days, I don't think Chinese company should be allowed to invest in a media company that is not allowed into China.
Watch the next episode of DragonBall to find out!
That should be disqualifying right there. How do you take money from an entity created in a culture that bans the very speech you built your platform on and keep a straight face about it?
Claiming an entire people's culture is based on the actions of their government is flawed. What if we applied the same standard to the US and other Western Nations?
PS - Does anyone else find the undercurrent of subtle anti-Chinese racism on this site disturbing? I'm not even from East Asia and I find it deeply distasteful. If you posted some of this stuff about any other nation (or race), it would be [Flag] dead in minutes.
Whataboutism is not a valid means of argument.
Questioning the actions of a group of people is not racism.
In a direct democracy that may be true, but no country I am aware of has one. Most countries vary from representative Democracy up through full Dictatorship, with the wider society having ever less input as you move up the scale.
In the Chinese system the government isn't meant to be a reflection of the people's views, the people are meant to be a reflection of the government's system.
> Questioning the actions of a group of people is not racism.
The whole crux of this isn't that they're criticizing the Chinese government, it is that they're saying a Chinese owned company cannot be trusted because their culture is subpar. If that isn't racism I don't know what it is.
If the demonstrated values of a culture that isn't yours do not match up with your values, it is perfectly valid to not want to support those ill-values. That is not racism.
Or was slavery a reflection on the enslaved?
I can think of many cases where that isn't the case.
Obviously reddit mods "got it" that some political opinions just shouldn't be allowed..
Thankfully, the science is complete, and as these guys noted, open debate just can't be done with people who disagree or cherry pick the datas..
These are just a few of the posts you can find outside of the goog..
I'm not saying I agree with any of the above opinions. However, I think it's pretty well documented that depending on your political persuasion, ideological bend, or ability to put aside reason in the name of "completed science", some opinions definitely hold more value than others. I for one am glad reddit has always appreciated that fact.
There's a strong case to be made that the censoring in certain countries like China, is actually helping the masses make sense of their world better.
I don't see how that happens though unless reddit abandons some of its principles