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Student cracks theologian's baffling religious code (bbc.co.uk)
88 points by DanBC 54 days ago | hide | past | web | favorite | 12 comments



It seems Fuller was one of 12 ministers who founded the BMS World Mission.

"BMS World Mission is a Christian missionary society founded by Baptists from England in 1792. It was originally called the Particular Baptist Society for the Propagation of the Gospel Amongst the Heathen, but for most of its life was known as the Baptist Missionary Society."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMS_World_Mission

The original name didn't age well...


I found surprising that shorthand compresses enough of the writing to resist statistical techniques, knowing approximately the corpus of language that the theologian would have used, and the source material he would usually quote from.


I imagine it's possible someone would have eventually cracked it that way. From my experience learning a few shorthand techniques though, I can see how it would be difficult regardless.

- many shorthands, especially phonetic ones, are abjads and lack the full metadata around vowels which make context extremely important to understanding meaning.

- It's typical for a shorthand writer to make have unique markings for words they write frequently which may not match the phonetic pattern (if that's even being used) which are hard to guess

- shorthand is hard to parse in general because the strokes typically value flow over precision, so secondary and third strokes are usually are formed in relation to the prior ones rather than any absolute positioning scheme

But really, I just don't think there are many people actually working on trying to solve old short hands with modern statistics + ML techniques. Maybe I'm wrong though and someone gave it a good go but something here really was particularly hard to solve.


TIL a new word, abjad, "a type of writing system where each symbol or glyph stands for a consonant, leaving the reader to supply the appropriate vowel." Thanks!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abjad


You might also be interested in

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abugida

Also, I was wondering if someone had already made the "f y cn rd ths" joke about abjads; the answer is yes!

http://www.learnclassicalhebrew.net/blog/?p=84


I wonder if it resists cracking by logical processes because it's not logical. For instance, the author may have not followed a system, but chose symbols that were partly pictographic, or based on word associations that occurred to him at the moment. Plus, for the author, it didn't have to be archival, because he would have been aided by his own memory when reading it.

My best chance at reading my own handwriting is to ask: "Now, what would I have meant here?" ;-) I hope nobody ever tries to read my notebooks.


Languages can be deciphered by statistical techniques not because they are "logical" or have a "system" (well uhm you're sort of right, actually). In natural languages there is a certain distribution of each phoneme and syllable (let's say due to an unknown reason, but this is observed in all languages[1]), which makes this distribution to somewhat correlate with certain letters and symbols if we're lucky. E.g. suppose we know /i/ phoneme is 90% of vowels in a language and we see that the letter <e> is used about 70% of the time in a large corpus of this language. Our best guess is /i/ is transcribed as <e>. If this phoneme to symbol correlation is too noisy (e.g. in the case of Voynich Script or in this case) then we'll have harder time using statistical techniques.

[1] There are certain universal phonological "Universals" that applies to 99.99% of languages. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linguistic_universal But still these don't let us find the entire structure of a language, and we have to use other techniques. Such as comparative study to other languages, finding loan words we know (e.g. finding the word "computer" or "Jesus" in a text of unknown language with unknown alphabet)


>Now, what would I have meant here?

Interestingly (to me, at least), this is also how I remember where I put something if I've misplaced it. I ask myself, and really try to visualize, if I were putting that thing away right now, where would I put it, and what was I just doing with it that might give me a bit more context about where I might leave it for myself cleverly next time? It usually works.


Heh, that's exactly what I do as well.. so it must be common to some extent.


Shorthands may consist not only of the symbols themselves, but also their positions, or the thickness of the line (nib pens allowed that), so it's clear they could be hard to decipher for those who have no idea what to look for.

https://archive.org/details/crossseclecticsh00crosiala


Are the translations public domain or are they considered derivative work?


They are derivative works which are eligible for their own copyright protection.

For example, the NIV, NIrV, and Amplified Bible translations are covered under copyright. Here's what you need to do if you want to use more than what their 'gratis use guidelines' allow - https://www.harpercollinschristian.com/permissions/#2 .




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