By the way, Singapore has an EU free trade agreement.
I respect engineering and entrepreneurship. But he sounds like a hypocrite. I don't consider buying any of his products.
A simple look into Dyson's past (particularly with regards to the "Dyson Academy" in Bath) should tell you all you need to know about the man. His products are mostly garbage too - not a screw to be found.
Of course they behave differently when it's their own money on the line.
The other thing I find interesting (ironic?) is how many Brexit leaders/campaigners have dual citizenship or residences in EU countries.
It seems more like, "hey, not even we believe this stuff, as evidenced by our actions." :)
Their air circulation fan/heater isn't as great as 5x of the price tag than competitors. Same with their blowdryers.
In short, they are hugely overpriced. Oh and, they use cheap plastic too - the air vent stand got cracked on winter and again the replacement parts are a fortune to buy.
I'd say BMW's Formula E motor is better than Tesla's motors today:
It's not a completely valid comparison because it's a racing motor, but it will be the basis of the motor used in BMW's future production cars. We'll have to wait to see how good the production version is. And by the time it comes out Tesla may also have improved their motor.
BTW - everything you said about Dyson applies to Apple. There's more to branding, pricing & sales than the bill-of-materials and quality
Maybe now they are, but at the time Dyson started getting popular, most vacuum cleaners (Hoovers included) were bag based. The Dyson performance felt revolutionary in comparison. I wouldn't be surprised if the Hoover design was based somewhat off Dyson's. I do know that Shark and Dyson had a IP fight a few years back
It is disingenuous to portray the EU as merely a trade organization. It may have started out that way, but today it is a supra-national government, capable of binding the citizens of member states to laws those citizens oppose (just as, e.g., the United States federal government can bind citizens of Alabama to laws those citizens oppose). See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulation_(European_Union)
The answer might be as simple as: "Signapore was the right place and we were planning this move before Brexit was on the horizon"
But it certainly gives the appearance that Brexit is bad for business and he doesn't want to operate with the consequences of the policy he advocated.
As posted by me before:
a) USA. Very little taxes in trade with the EU already. Little to gain with FTA.
b) Canada? Okay, but the UK has this Free trade agreement (FTA) already via the EU.
c) Mersocur? FTA to be signed with the EU soon.
d) Japan und Korea? Have FTAs with EU
e) India? Very demanding. Also want easier immigration to the UK in a FTA. Prediction: Will fail.
f) Australia? Ok, easy to get. Point for the UK
g) China? Possible. But only goods, since China loves to export goods. Financial services? Forget about it. Also, trust me, the Chinese have not forgotten the Opium war. Also the recent Ship of the Royal Navy in disputed waters did not help.
h) Africa. Many (economically) small countries. Not all countries have ties to the UK.
i) Russia/CIS. This the UK could get but this they don't want.
Sorry if I'm misreading, but do you mean "how the EU is being hobbled by the UK"? In the sentence above it sounds like the EU wanted the agreement but the UK (and May's veto) prevented the EU from doing it.
But actually, the uk hobbled the eu. So the example is wrong.
Maybe there is a point for states to collectively bargain in trade agreements.
In Dyson's case they probably got a sweetheart deal due to their brand.
That sounds like hypocrisy to me
In the comments, people were asking, "Have you considered increasing employee compensation?" I think we all know the answer to that.
FTAs also bind countries to laws the citizens may oppose and even if changing a law is OK, it might still result in an expensive investor state dispute at a court of arbitration.
To give an example, if the U.S. entered into an FTA requiring a $15 minimum wage, that provision would be ineffective until Congress passed a law making that the minimum wage. But Congress could impose a $15 minimum wage effective in Alabama, even if every Alabama Senator and Congressman opposed it. EU regulations are like the latter.
Treaties have their own intricacies, but they do not necessarily require ratification either. The EC initially asserted that CETA did not require ratification by the national governments, but backed down citing the "political situation": http://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-7... (page 13).
I think many EU supporters really don't understand the sweeping powers of the EU. All the legal underpinnings are in place to turn the EU member countries into demi-sovereigns inferior to an EU government, just as happened to the U.S. states. They may be used sparingly now, but Brussels is getting bolder all the time.
Can I have a citation for this?
this would seem to be irrelevant to today's decision as Dyson ceased EU manufacturing in 2003
today they're moving the legal HQ, with two jobs being relocated
I've got one of his products, but I had no idea then that he was like this.
Of course you want a trade deal with the EU after Brexit. One major problem with being in the EU is that it forces the UK to uphold tariffs and tariff-like restrictions on imports from non-EU countries. Singapore itself has little to no tariffs.
With a hard Brexit, those deals simply won't exist yet, so it's wise to move to place where they do exist.
He clearly cares not in the least about the UK. I will never buy any of his products ever again.
To put it another way, I can argue for a better business environment in my home country while simultaneously having all my business in a country that actually has such an environment.
- 2003: moves his manufacturing base of the UK/EU
- 2016: says we'd be better off outside (like his manufacturing base is currently)
- 2019: moves legal HQ (and two jobs) outside of the UK
he contested them in court and was ultimately victorious, but it took 5 years (and presumably millions of pounds) to win that victory
to me that seems like a valid reason to be upset
Mr Dyson's business has been systematically disadvantaged for years by corruption that seems to be endemic to the political institution that's membership is currently under debate
so why is it acceptable for the UK business establishment to campaign for what their believe to be in their best interests, but not for Mr Dyson to campaign for his?
It's not ok to say that Brexit will be great for all the other companies in the UK, whilst clearly demonstrating he couldn't care less. It's immoral. That's what I'm complaining about.
> Mr Dyson's business has been systematically disadvantaged for years by corruption that seems to be endemic to the political institution that's membership is currently under debate
You're going to have provide substantial evidence of that "corruption" vs Mr Dyson not get his own way and getting all upset.
did he say that though?
because it's not on that page
"Taxes or delays at the customs, it is not important compared to the manufacturing costs. Car manufacturers complain all the time. But there is no problem without [a] solution."
So he reckons it's all going to be unicorns and roses despite all warnings to the contrary. And you still haven't provided evidence of the much stronger allegation of EU corruption.
I'm done here
In fact, if anything, what Brexit has shown me is that there is one side that only sees things in black and white. You can be against something as a whole but in favor of some parts of it. The EU is a great example where many who champion Brexit may be in favor of shared economic benefits and against not-strictly-economic political costs.
Dyson himself is not one of my favourite people. This move seems very hypocritical.
Got a Miele than.
Looking forward to not to have to think about it for the next 10-20 years.
Dyson is overpriced brightly coloured plastic pretending to be "design." The one we bought had a stupid moulded plug that would fall out of the power socket with the gentlest tug.
It also regularly overheated and shut down for random periods. And it was a nightmare of mess to empty, sending dust everywhere.
A strange company, suggestive of the worst of British opportunism. Apparently there's an old British fighter jet hanging above the canteen in the HQ, but it seems that's just for show when there's more profit to be made by moving to a different country.
As for the move, I'm sure it's profit based for the purpose of cheaper labor or being closer to the target consumer, but only an insider would really know the real reason.
Those product are the best products out there. They could be overpriced, yes. But other products "many times better", no way!!
Other products could be cheaper, but better, no they are not.
You can't compare an aluminum laptop with a plastic one, filled with spyware(from vendors and Windows today is spyware too), a screen that is sh*t and a battery that last nothing because the manufacturer has not optimized it like Apple has. Not to talk about the chipset electronics, Apple has a volume that gives them the Upper hand choosing the best components.
Utter garbage. Just use the old dryers or paper towels ffs.
 "Dyson Airblades 'spread germs 1,300 times more than paper towels'" https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/13/dyson-airblades-...
As far as his vacuum design, the Dyson engineering team is superb. Their motors, electronics, programming and bagless designs are miles ahead of anyone else in the industry.
The dyson ball and canisters are lack luster in their class and use cheap engineering gimmicks and too much metallic painted plastic to win over big spending shoppers. The true success story for Dyson is the "motorhead" cordless vacuums. They are skookum.
I had a DC-01 back in the day, didn't like it at all as the main part of it that runs on the floor was too tall to get under any of the furniture - unlike the vorwerk that it replaced, and the £30 cheapo standard vacuum cleaner that replaced it (and lasted 3 times as long).
I ended up buying a Shark vacuum.
Let's avoid unnecessary pile-ons.
Certainly the Dyson electric hand dryers in retail bathrooms seem to suck even more than the average dryer.
It was a pain in the ass the whole time we used it, and I will never buy a Dyson again. It was over $200, and its replacement was $30 and lasted almost as long (which was still super short).
The misled voters however are not and cannot suddenly pick up a new career in Singapore or in the PR department of a big company, so they will have to foot the bill.
He seems rather confused..
As I read it the second statement says "Stuff keeps changing in Britain and we can't be sure its going to be good for our company so we're pulling up stakes." And what has changed recently in Britain, oh I don't know, all the Brexit stuff maybe?
I wish companies would own their decisions but they never do when they can't spin them well.
How are salaries? How is the work culture?
Is the industry growing such that moving there would be a good career play?
The salaries are low by western standards. I tripled my income coming back to the UK.
The work culture is shitty. Long hours are routine. Developers are cogs in the machine. The boss is always right. You need to do things by the book.
There's a hard class distinction between "worker bees" (includes developers) and "managers". Those managers were typically clueless about tech, also, which made interviewing a crapshoot.
This is true. Maybe not three times lower, but salaries are lower comparing to UK/US.
> The work culture is shitty. Long hours are routine. Developers are cogs in the machine. The boss is always right. You need to do things by the book.
True. The last sentence applies mostly to local companies.
> There's a hard class distinction between "worker bees" (includes developers) and "managers".
As everywhere else.
> Those managers were typically clueless about tech, also, which made interviewing a crapshoot.
Disagree. Share of incompetent managers is close to share of incompetent developers. Hiring a skilled, knowledgeable, self-organised developer is very hard. Source: I am a manager :)
They are notorious here for paying below average salaries though
1) "I need to move to Singapore because Britain is not close enough to the EU"
2) "I want Britain to leave the EU"
3) "I am moving to Singapore anyway, so long suckers"
One can imagine if exiting the EU was possible in 2000 he would have worked that into his comments at the time. As far as he was concerned he had a problem exporting products from the UK because of the strong sterling, most particularly in comparison to the Euro. He needed a solution. Joining the Euro was a possible solution at the time.
The EU also had no trade agreements with countries like Singapore or Japan in 2000 either - or even 2009 for that matter - further reducing his strategic options.
Dyson is a ringing endorsement of Britain as a marketing and PR powerhouse. They made people across the world believe a story that sold millions of mediocre vacuums. It is a huge success that we should be proud of. But it has little to do with the virtues that Dyson likes to project.
In that sense it is a good parallel to brexit. A PR blitz designed to push bullshit.