It seems kind of scummy, but I guess otherwise your rare stable overclock chip might end up in some boring business server where it will always run at stock clocks. I do note that Intel still wants nothing to do with overclocked chips in their warranty department, even when they did the overclocking themselves.
how is it scummy? is because intel's efficiently allocating those CPUs (via auction market), rather than randomly giving them out?
Basically the good stuff is reserved for the rich because they are rich.
If anything, this situation is better than Ticketmaster's, because at least the producers are getting the money. With Ticketmaster, they're pocketing all the money and the performers are getting nothing. If Intel isn't binning these, a third party (probably someone affiliated with an OEM) would be doing this and pocketing the difference.
>Basically the good stuff is reserved for the rich because they are rich.
Are you also upset that you can't get luxury goods for cheap because they're "reserved" for the rich?
It seems to me that greed is a problem affecting those who want it all, particularly luxury items, while complaining that they should be exempt from paying any cost.
It seems to me that demand is far higher than supply, thus the auction ensures that those who really want them will have a realistic shot of getting one. That's far better than having to resort to buying them from price-gouging scalpers.
Paying the inflated prices to scalpers would reward scalpers for hogging the supply. That would be far worse. If I'm going to pay an inflated price for something, I'd rather use it to reward the person making it than some speculator trying to wrench some profit out of a tight market.
For this assertion to make any sense you'd need to believe that they don't benefit by increasing sales of a product line, particularly when they increase prices.
Hardly, since the "rejects" will just be sold as the regular model(s).
In the old "lottery" system the rejects would end up on the secondary market, making Intel's final revenue effectively the same as if extreme overclocking wasn't a thing.
Also, binning of CPUs is a fact of life. CPUs don't all come the same from the production line. It allows you to buy bit less capable CPU for much cheaper if you wish so which, I would assume, you didn't take into consideration when you posted your thoughts.
Furthermore, no warranty could even mean they can get away with selling processors that won't work reliably at the listed speeds. If they were to do that, that'd definitely be scummy.
All things considered, I don't think it's for me.
It wouldn't be that shocking if delays keep hitting on the new product line that they just skim the top 30% of chips and call it a "new" product though, which would be both really funny and almost immediately noticed. But overall this kind of thing is inevitable given the giant difference between what these kinds of processors run at stock and what people who are eager to buy a top of the line processor are actually going to want to run it at.
This is just Intel identifying a market and a way to serve it, in order to make some money. They're a business. It's what they do.
Maybe they could even just make it explicit for all their products: market them by die type, configuration, and peak stable base clock.
> Other details about the chip that we have learned include that it will have a listed TDP of 255W, which means the peak power will be higher. Motherboard vendors will have to support 420 amps on the power delivery for the chip (which at 1.3 volts would be 546 watts), and up to 30 amps per core.
But between this and the fiasco when Intel announced a 28-core 5 GHz chip (without mentioning the 1800 W industrial water chiller needed to cool it), it's starting to sound desperate in its attempts to deflect attention from AMD's EPYC and Threadripper high-core-count chips.
For now, they can be on the same circuit
If you live in UK, you might note that electric tea kettles work fine, but in the US they do not (they’re too slow). That’s the biggest practical difference to my mind, very few other portable appliances need that kind of juice, except the biggest space heaters. Big, fixed appliances get wired differently.
Note: because of the US “split phase” system, the neutral wire won’t be neutral anymore but rather 120v above ground. The kettle bases I’ve used are well designed, but do be careful.
Other appliances that require a lot of juice include vacuum cleaners, electric hobs, space heaters, portable ACs/dehumidifiers. So having something trip a living room circuit pulling just 2000 watts would drive me nuts in the long run
In 3 years we've only tripped a breaker once - running a microwave, toaster oven and dishwasher all off the same outlet at once.
A couple days ago I tripped a circuit breaker for the first time in many years. It turns out that the refrigerator shares a circuit with the rest of the kitchen, so when I ran a rice cooker and deep fryer off the same circuit, when the compressor turned on it tripped.
Also (in NL), a fire that had started in a junction box that somehow died out without becoming more serious. That was a pretty scary find in a house that I had just bought.
I've lived in a few older homes, and have experienced some of this firsthand. My current home has some of that wire with porcelain wire nuts in the older circuits. Previously we lived in an earlier place that still had a small amount of legacy knob-and-tube wiring. (Bare copper wire kept off joists with porcelain insulators of various sorts.)
Never had to deal with fuses, or sub-10A circuits. (But the utility of a 5A household circuit seems evident in an older world where the whole-house service might be 30 or 60A.)
In that regard if latency is an issue overclocked 8700K (or 8086K) should be sufficient.
It is, but at some point you can't do much more about the network latency; shaving off a couple dozen us, might the difference of getting the price/quote or missing it out. Especially, when you play versus similarly equipped firms.
HFT is not so much about CPU speed but algorithmic optimization.
I wonder though how anandtech esitmates that only 100’s of these chips will be produced.
Hoping to see AMD continue to push the HEDT threshold. Let the server market have their underclocked power-efficient processors. Though to be honest if things go much further I'm going to need a custom waterloop next generation.
Clusters used to use more custom hardware and interconnects - that’s now the exception rather than the norm. You still find that in some HPC situations but most people manage with commodity cloud.