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I think most people replying haven't shopped for appliances in the past 5 years. For example, you have to choose the most basic HVAC system these days to avoid communicating systems with built in smart controls. A fair number of fridges now come with integrated screens. A lot of new homes come with ring door bells and smart security systems. Even washing machines and driers now have built in systems for notifying you when your clothes are done and other such things.

Pedantics would say "well just don't buy this IOT crap," but the problem is that only the bottom line devices come this way in a lot of cases.

This is a very upper class problem. You are vastly over estimating the ratio of smart to dumb devices.

What's more, most smart devices will not last until 2038. Planned obsolescence is a standard feature of smart devices product development plans today, especially since fewer and fewer of them are doing anything without cloud integration. If this trend continues, I would bet a kidney that no smart product launched in 2025, regardless of target audience, will still be operating (and be incapable of receiving updates automatically) in 2035.

Protocols would change way before then. 2038 is 19 years in the future. What devices from 2000 are still running, that wasn't running long before 2000?

Dibs on your kidney.

We've bought one of the cheapest dishwashers we could find, and it came with a feature to connect it to an app using NFC. Granted, the whole EU is "very upper class" compared to most of the world, but it's still quite a huge number of machines.

I believe it. We've seen it happen with TVs for sure.

I think we're all both underestimating and overestimating the problem :)

There are way more "smart" devices (devices with some kind of embedded software and clocks) than we assume, and there are way less of these devices than we fear.

It's still gonna be a problem though.

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