It's probably a great internal name - hey, we've been providing storage for photos, email, docs, drive, and more, for over a decade, and we've finally integrated that storage into one space, so let's call it Google one! It's a great name - simple and powerful, symbolizes the effort and direction we've taken in the past 5-10 years of integrating our consumer, day to day products.
However, outside of the Google box, no one understands or cares what they've been doing. "Google one" sounds like... nothing. "What is it???" is an extremely appropriate response.
Maybe in the future it will come to symbolize all the services of Google, available in one centralized location, allowing for future consumers to easily access all of google services without separate pay schemes, storage, or
other infrastructure, and make it a 1 stop shop for your services needs, common or obscure.
But right now, the copy and landing page are way off the messaging mark.
I haven't tested Google One yet, but it doesn;t seem to change anything there, just offering more space for them all.
Besides it being a service you pay for, there aren't many similarities between Google One and Waymo One and I think it'll just be confusing.
It sounds precisely like Amazon's "Prime" brand, and it's no coincidence. It's a sunk-cost feature to convince you to come back (like membership shopping clubs - Costco, Sams). Unfortunately I don't think it has the draw of 'free shipping' (+ music/TV/etc).
What are these positive connotations? To me prime sounds neutral, like a fact.
Speaking about bad namings - reminds me how back at Sun at one moment everything became "Java" (even stock ticker, no kidding). "We've got just 5 product boxes (Java this and Java that), just 5 boxes, that's all! Simplify things for the customer!" Lets just say that naming as Java various non-Java things simplified nothing for nobody.
After reading the top comment I realised it was a new version of drive and apps.
After reading the link I now realise it's not even anything.
It's just plain old Google with a new landing page at one.google.com.
92818181818 0 1. Probably didn't get that, eh!
By talking to the French patent office, circa 1950s, apparently. I don't know what you're on about with the rest, but I'm just parroting what's well-documented, you're welcome to go look it up.
Google Keep -> Keep -> Keep Notes -> Notes (In near future)
Not unlike how Google became alphabet which seems influenced by *Amazon A to Z
When MS uses “one” across its product spectrum (OneDrive, Xbox One, One OS, One Note, One Guide) then google uses One...it’s not the same as MS OneDrive and Google Drive (ie descriptive) it’s more on par with MS creating a social network and calling it MS+. I think most would agree that’s either a ripoff or at least fail on many levels.
But hey Googlers are gonna downvote when Google spends millions of branding/marketing a new product only to be called on copying MS of all companies.
If Google created Google Windows and the product wasn’t an OS, it’s still a rip off right?
It’s one thing when it’s Apple/google maps because it’s a generic and descriptive mark, but One? Should have just gone full stop Google Windows.
But MS OneNote was released right around the same time.
But let’s be serious Google spent millions to brand/launch this, and it’s got to be embarrassing that either: a. None of the yesmen thought to speak up and say hey should we really use a name MS uses for a bunch of their products (One Note, Xbox One, One OS, One Guide); or b. Straight ripped it.
Companies have been naming things with "one" since forever.
For a company like Google, I find it a bit embarrassing.
The "i" in all of Apple's names stands for Internet in 1990s nomenclature.
Similarly the word "one" predates any usage by MS.
It’s a huckster hook word, engorged with talking points so that PowerPoint decks can prompt for easy segues during sales pitches.
Yes, it will even conveniently estimate the exact plan you'll need to purchase in order to store all of your posts, collections, and important communities.
Well, Google+ was taken :)
It’s like “put your entire digital existence onto our platform” Oh and by the way took “don’t be evil” out. Now give us all of your data, look at this beautiful UI!
Sorry Google, I don’t trust you anymore, I used to love you, it used to be about the ideals and ideas, but now avarice has possessed and consumed you.
> And remember… don’t be evil, and if you see something that you think isn’t right – speak up!
Media headlines from the time gave the impression that it was removed, which was absolutely false.
1. Moving from top of the doc to very bottom of multi page doc, after things like Trade Controls.
2. Change of first party imperative to third party - you remember, not we
I'd argue that the last sentence is more prominent than anything that isn't in the first paragraph.
And who is "we" if not "you" in your second sentence? That's an employee code if conduct.
Google does something unfavorable: "don't be evil, HUH?"
Google takes away the slogan: "so now you're evil, HUH?"
It's ok Google, I'm not angry, I'm just disappointed.
You can go back to relentlessly optimizing the max($) function, but everyone is wising up to you.
I'm actually more worried about Amazon, Amazon are an aggressive weed with reaching tendrils, you are more like an aging billionaire, wealthy, unable to innovate, jaded, your spark has gone.
Your questionable activity means you no longer command the respect you once did. The greats are ambivalent about working for you, and the ones you hold - you only hold with money. When you have to pay all the time, it's not love (that's a joke, stand down the database queries)
Incidentally, don't you sometimes wonder why your founders are gone? Why Schmidt is gone? The greats have left, because of who you have become.
For example, even if they don't need the data now because you're paying not to see ads, they might still collect it so that they can show you "better" ads if/when you stop paying.
So the answer is that I would trust that it (mostly) doesn't happen if the legal terms say it won't.
However, now that we're where we are, it's just so easy to keep tracking you, since they'd actually have to go out of their way to remove it from their tech stack, that doing it on the off chance that either A: someday you'll stop being a paid customer or B: someday a PM will need to show more revenue and they decide to stick ads on their paid service anyhow, the combined probability of which approaches 100%, is worth doing it. Path dependencies can cause strange things to happen.
I can't trust a company who has tracking everything and everybody woven into their tech stack at every level to stop.
With a good ToS in place, Google is actually more trustworthy than smaller companies.
It feels like there is an ever growing privacy awareness yet companies like google keep pushing the cloud storage for typical consumer. I’d be curious to know how average person feels about storing their private photos in google’s servers.
I think the average consumer is in the same boat. They want someone else to take care of this problem.
From the main support index at https://support.google.com/googleone/ here are various tidbits of useful content that the surrounding HN comments wished for (sorry, none describe the "expert help" available):
"Get Google One":
> With Google One, you get more storage, help from experts, and extra member benefits. You can share your membership with up to 5 family members.
"How your existing storage works with Google One":
> You'll get storage through your Google One membership, which will become your new storage limit. You'll no longer buy storage through Google Drive.
"Claim a Benefit":
> Google One hotel deals depend on the day, time, and other factors. There might not be a deal for every hotel search.
"Learn where Google One is available":
> Create or join a family; Use Google Play Family Library; Subscribe to the Google Play Music family plan; Use a family calendar
I don't think tech companies can compete with that; if you want a concierge on retainer you want a guy you can talk to and explain your weird request. Nobody is paying 10+k a month to get a "barely close enough" answer. I also don't believe that's what they aim.
Instead they intend to go for the "fake concierge, but close enough": tie-ins into all their sub products, in an unified subscription and interface, at a small fraction of the cost. Oh you want an hotel ? We have that. Renting a car ? Buying a musical instrument ? Make a reservation at a restaurant ? Done. Oh, you want that actually unique request that does not get enough volume by month to be a business on its own ? No, we don't do that, but here is the google search results for it.
In other words, I believe Google One aims to play in the same court as Amazon Prime.
These discount services have one critical weakness for most of us: you must spend at least 10x the membership fee each year on compatible services to benefit from the discounts. If you don’t spend at least $2000/year on eligble costs, paying $200/year for discounts rarely makes any sense once you add up the money saved.
Credit cards try to democratize through “points” but the same math applies when comparing to a debit card.
Or maybe one Google One will be deprecated in favor of two Google Twos.
It seems like a nice idea. I'm not on board with any new Google platform unless I have some sort of assurance that you're just not going to kill this off in two years, or let it suffer a slow death of neglect and attrition.
Thanks, but you need to grow up a bit, Google.
I've read some horror stories about google pulling the plug on all accounts due to a billing conflict somewhere else in their ecosystem. That, together with the absolute PITA of managing multiple accounts pretty much ensures I will avoid ever paying to put my data in their hands.
But still, this is a very valid point. It's hard to trust any Google service and it's risky to make any significant investment of time structuring your life around them. This is why I don't use Google Music anymore. I invest far too much time into my playlists and music collections to trust them.
Wave was launched to a ton of fan-fare and seemed like a first-order product, similar to Hangouts... which is now also dying a slow death.
For example, they have already removed the marketing page that people here are making fun of: https://imgur.com/a/xsF1ZX3
It is actually quite simple, no revenue no services.
Aren't things usually cheaper when you buy bulk?
When you pay for 30 TB on the other hand, you probably need it, so their actual cost might be reflected well in that price. This is basically the long tail effect, so when you optimize the price for the majority, price increases are not linear.
This and they have been working on making many accounts hard for some time now.
I disagree with that.
The only "hard" part is stuff that absolutely makes sense during the creation part if you're making several: captcha, not allowing the same phone number to be the recovery for more than ~10 accounts, etc ... It's all very obvious protection against spam/mass registration, and if you are an actual person it takes only a few minutes to get around.
And if you go for paid accounts, all of those limits cease existing.
But beside that, once you have the accounts, it's all very friendly, the multi login where you don't even have to logout / log in other account / logout again / relog in first account, account delegation so you can have a master account with automatic access to others, library (apps, photos, ...) sharing, and all of that is on the free accounts !
It might be far from perfect, but compared to the other big ones Google is very friendly to multi-accounts users.
They have a fine print that says you need at least 5 users in your account or something, otherwise they limit you to 1 TB.
However they are not enforcing that limit and on /r/DataHoarder/ you can see people with dozens of TB stored without issues. And even if they start enforcing it, if you pay for multiple accounts it would still be pretty cheap and you don't get this multi-account management overhead.
If you don't mind multiple accounts and want to optimize on price, just get one 100GB subscription (for the expert help benefit), and lots of free accounts.
A business that needs 100TB (or whatever) has more to spend, and is much less sensitive to price.
[poor man's offer] [crap offer] [real offer] [expensive crap offer]
I need 1tb of space for my images but having to pay $10 makes me feel strange (yes it is relativly cheap and i can afford it) but this non linearity is probably here because of some mix calculation they are doing.
Dropbox offers 1TB for $10 and 2TB for $20. Google added another zero (10x as much for the same price).
Dropbox was definitely the first to offer a viable cloud storage, but they've always offered laughable storage plans (compared to their competition).
2 TB on Google One is $10, which is half of $20. I don't understands what you means by adding a zero. Are you comparing the 20TB offer which is $200 and have missed the 10x prices increase too?
Instead it's... something? A one sentence description at the beginning of the page wouldn't hurt...
"Dropbox is a modern workspace"
"Keep everything organized without breaking your flow"
I don't understand why these companies feel the need to describe their services in this way.
People know what Dropbox is, and people that don't know what Dropbox is, probably aren't going to buy Dropbox.
People don't land on Dropbox.com by chance.
In fact, when describing GDrive ir iCloud Drive or OneDrive, people say "it's like Dropbox".
Ugh... Google never misses an opportunity to shit on its most ardent supporters - the people with personal G-Suite domains.
If they addressed this issue I would probably consider consolidating Dropbox, Spotify, and maybe some other stuff into a single Google One subscription but I suppose grandfathered free gsuite accounts are a low priority for these things.
Reasons may be justified internally but a shitty experience for customers is still a shitty experience.
In the process I found many small bugs, but also a huge one... if you have 200GB of photos in G Suite, share & copy to a Gmail account (G One) and then break the share... you have the 200GB of photos but Google One storage will report usage as 0GB.
Customer Service is not called Customer Service but Google Experts. What does this mean for actual service?
The thing I like/jumps out for me is no compressing of images. That is one of the reasons I decided to go with Backblaze for backup. I would still stay with backblaze as I am not so confident about Google keeping the product around.
"Your stuff, anywhere". I have managed to setup a upload workflow for Backblaze on my linux machine without going through a browser. Not sure if it is possible in Google One drive. Browsers crash/freeze at the most importune moments. Then I need to restart the upload and pray. There is no way to say upload only the diff (atleast as far as I remember). The extra upload just means increased cost.
Still somewhere, someone in Google has finally listened(?) to the community and heard that customer support is needed. This is an excellent step in the right direction, I suppose.
My skeptical meter just went off the charts.
Would it be possible for you to share your way of doing this? I would be very interested in B2 access without browser.
I mean, I use online storage for my family pictures, my important documents etc. etc, and so the minimum requirement is that it is encrypted and the company contractually agrees not to snoop, data-mine or even sell that data.
Google basically tells you they will do all of that, tied to the most invasive unique ID except than maybe facebook.
Why would anyone actually do that? That's just a disaster waiting to happen...
Expert access for $1.99/mo? Huh?
In the near future, 2 people are on GChat, I mean Hangouts, I mean Duo, I mean Allo, I mean FB Messenger. And one of them is one of those people that can't use the shift key:
"Where did you put the pictures from our trip?"
"What do you mean they're gone?!!!!?"
Don't worry, It will, too, pass.
Is it that hard to include a sentence of the form "$PRODUCT is..." somewhere?
I stick with Dropbox for the Linux support. It is fantastic. It works on servers, with no GUI, so I can easily sync stuff from my Windows Laptop and my Linux server, where I perform scientific stuff.
We're also the only set of users that will actually saturate the oversold storage while still burning through that $2.50 worth of customer service with a single question prefaced with "hi, I run Linux."
I also pay for SpiderOak cloud storage but they don’t allow selective sync - you get everything mirrored on your laptop.
That said, Google Drive and Microsoft OneDrive are still useful on Linux laptops through the web app.
50GB for 0.99
200GB for 2.99
2TB for 9.99
100GB for 1.99
Their IRC channel is no help in debugging. Disabling all apps doesn't help, looking at the php & syslog don't show any errors, and adding caching only saves a few seconds of rendering time.
Nextcloud has seriously lowered my standards for bad PHP projects, making most others look well written and decently documented/debuggable.
It seems like the main improvements are adding family plans to match Apple and having presumably not-chatbot support but that requires scrolling a long way down the page.
It is amazing how Google screws up any UI or explanatory pages apart from search. I guess common sense isn't taught in CLRS.
1. Your storage in Google Drive is actually not used only by what's on GDrive, but includes your emails and Google Photos. So it is more correct to deemphasize the connection to GDrive.
2. This is a good first step to unify Google's paid B2C services that it may want to offer, especially since G+ is being discontinued.
Currently they are backed up on my local machine and my server, but was considering cloud options. My wife does use Google Drive (paid account w/ Chromebook) but I don't feel that comfortable with Google things.
Does anyone have good alternatives that perhaps respect privacy? :)
That they're quite reasonably priced doesn't hurt either :)
Also, high value digital artifacts like my book projects and customer work get backed up automatically to remote git servers.
I seldom do local backups anymore on my MacBook to TimeMachine, perhaps once a month, and for backing up my Linux laptop I only back up to multiple cloud providers and git remote services.
With that in mind, borg backup does a great job at archiving/compressing/encrypting. Then you can sync to GDrive or any other service using e.g. rclone.
So this announcement is the thing that will finally get me to export all of my data and leave Gmail for personal use altogether. Congratulations, One Team!
Really don't follow how this announcement lacks respect for pricing or sla.
Not that Dropbox is bad. It would be nice to have things in one place only, but maybe it's better to not be completely dependent on one service.
Why this wouldn’t also bundle things like YouTube red or google music proves my hypothesis wrong though.
I just don’t know what the hell is going on at Google lately. What is their strategy? What is their vision? Everything they do is so disjointed and incongruent.
I think this might be the same thing.
If you can figure out what Google One is you are a genius!
I don't get the "they'll shut this down anyways" sentiment in every Google related submission on HN. It's getting tiresome.