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As an Australian citizen who has spent many years in the US, I can say that this law is in line with the main ideology of the Australian government: extreme parentalism. You run a red light: fine for $450 in the mail. No court date, no arguments. You exceed the speed limit by 5km/h: $200 fine in the mail. No arguments. It is brutal but it's hard to deny that it works. Australia has some of the lowest per capital road deaths in the OECD. The problem is that the government wants to regulate the internet the say way they regulate road traffic. You can read up all the idiotic attempts here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_Austral... I wonder if this means Australia will have the ability to ban apps like Telegram from the app store?

> but it's hard to deny that it works. Australia has some of the lowest per capital road deaths in the OECD

Actually, we're in the middle according to the data, there's a few countries with better rates: https://bitre.gov.au/publications/ongoing/international_road...

In regards to being fined for 5 km/h over the limit, there's no evidence that small increases in speed over the limit contributes to accidents. It's excessive speed that kills, like going 100 in a 60 zone. The other big killer is distraction and driver fatigue.

As for red lights, I'm fine with the strict rules there. I've almost been hit walking across the road by red light runners.

They are trying to secretly force tech companies into unpaid labour to destroy the security of their own products in their ham-fisted stupid attempts however.

This is much worse than the authoritarian way they handle traffic fines.

There is no legal representation, no judicial oversight and no actual definitions of essential terms in the bill.

Make no mistake, this is a dictatorship.

Oops. Actually, it's a totalitarian regime.

To be fair, I got a fine in the mail years ago for stopping in a no stopping zone. (Couldn't find a carpark and had a screaming baby in the back) The notice says you can contest in court, which I did and got off. That was back as a student, it wouldn't be worth my time to take a whole day off anymore. :(

Yeh you can elect to contest any fine in court. I've done it twice here in Aust, and had the fine thrown out both times, including a big $750 driving unregistered fine.

It takes about 4 hours or more out of your day to attend court which is obviously not possible for everyone.

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