Hacker News new | past | comments | ask | show | jobs | submit login
Startups Aren't Cool Anymore (theatlantic.com)
35 points by lnguyen 3 months ago | hide | past | web | favorite | 10 comments

This article strikes me as a mish-mash of moderately interesting insights, and stuff that's completely off-base. But this bit stands out as worthy of further discussion:

While the Austrian American economist Joseph Schumpeter is best known for his 1942 paper describing his theory of “creative destruction,” the process of disrupting existing industries through business innovation or technological change, few people know about another prediction he made: He believed that innovation would gradually become an embedded process within large corporations. In many ways, Schumpeter predicted the internal innovation hubs of corporate giants like Amazon and SAP. With incumbents making innovation part of their established routines, he theorized, they would gradually squeeze out the traditional entrepreneur.

I have a ton of respect for Schumpeter, and am generally a big fan of his work. But I disagree with this somewhat. And the reason is that the advantages big companies have when it comes to innovation, are often largely offset by other aspects of being a big company. So yes, you have money, smart people, plenty of high end hardware or cloud resources, data, etc. Great... guess what you also have?

A stifling bureaucracy, 23 redundant layers of management approval, 12 competing teams each trying to stab the other in the back, arbitrary layoffs / shuffling of people between teams, executives playing favorites on choosing what projects to fund, nepotism, etc., etc. etc.

Example: I work for a Really Big Company (but not FAANG), and I routinely see us take - literally - weeks or months to make a decision that a startup could make in a day, because the founder could just say "do it" and that's the end of the story. Yes, yes, it's an anecdote, but this is hardly an unknown phenomenon. And I've seen this first-hand in plenty of other companies as well.

I would argue that startups can still disrupt things, but that they key to doing it is to focus on their natural advantage: speed.

See also: It's Not the Big That Eat the Small...It's the Fast That Eat the Slow: How to Use Speed as a Competitive Tool in Business.[1]

[1]: https://www.amazon.com/Its-That-Small-Fast-Slow/dp/006662054...

Carlota Perez (a neo-Schumpeterian, and popular reading among Silicon Valley VCs) laid out the mechanisms by which this shift occurs, using examples from 5 technological revolutions going back to the early 1800s. She divided the adoption curve of a new technology into four phases - Irruption, Frenzy, Synergy, and Maturity - which are themselves divided into the Installation period (Irruption & Frenzy, where the infrastructure underlying the technological revolution is built) and the Deployment period (Synergy & Maturity, where knowledge of this new means of production spreads broadly through the population and it's applied to all sorts of different problems).

Her theory is that financial capital - startups and venture capital - dominates during the Installation phase, because knowledge of the new techniques of production is limited to a few visionary individuals and they're forced to take risks that few established companies or management structures are comfortable with. And then production capital (reinvested earnings of existing corporations, assigned toward R&D headcount) dominates during the Deployment phase, as management becomes both aware of and comfortable with the new technologies and they can readily find employees to do the work. The boundary between phases is marked by a financial crisis and oftentimes war, as the inflated expectations of the new technology (necessary to incite people to take risks) cannot be matched by its actual usage within the economy. A financial crisis then usually spurs regulation which is needed for broader adoption (and keeps out competition, entrenching production capital), while a war disseminates knowledge of the new techniques throughout the victorious power(s).

One thing the book doesn't get into is that technological revolutions are often fractal: for example, the technology of "software" enables more specific technologies of "the Internet" or "mobile apps", which themselves spawn whole industries and companies within those industries. And that implies that you might be in "frenzy" for the general technology of software (which I suspect we are; we haven't had our war yet), but the specific technology of "the WWW" had its financial crisis in 2001 and long since entered maturity. There are other technologies within software (eg. cryptocurrencies) that I'd argue are still within "irruption", and there are technologies within cryptocurrencies (eg. ICOs) that just had their financial crisis and are moving from "frenzy" to "synergy".

Carlota Perez (a neo-Schumpeterian, and popular reading among Silicon Valley VCs)

Interesting. I was not familiar with her work previously. Thanks for pointing that out. More stuff to read!

You haven't seen how AWS operates. Their agility is truly something else. Microsoft is trying to shift within their Azure group to be more like AWS, but it's a DNA/company policy/pace of work thing. Can't speak for the other FAANG companies as I don't cover them. If you work for one of the old large companies - IBM, Oracle, SAP, etc. just know that AWS' pace of getting things done and shipped is probably 5-10x (with comparably low retention)

You haven't seen how AWS operates. Their agility is truly something else.

Oh yeah, I'm sure there are exceptions. And looking at the from the outside, AWS do impress with how quickly the get new stuff out.

But I've seen this kind of thing in multiple large companies first-hand, and the phenomenon has been observed and documented plenty over the years. So I feel pretty confident that it's still the case that many, if not most, Big Megacorp types lack the kind of agility that startups typically have.

doesn't amazon also inflict a brutal penalty for not "keeping up" on their employees as a matter of policy? i've had reports from a couple of friends who left amazon because of the work culture

I think your big-company anecdote applies more to the SW space than companies that require large investments in tooling, materials, regulatory and so on. In those cases the bureaucracy is actually necessary and the trick is to make business processes efficient. Startups can't compete easily in those areas, even if you have a do-it CEO. The innovation in those companies might not be as exciting but over the long term ends up generating the majority of wealth.

That's a fair point. My background is software and that's where most of my thinking focuses.

I am not going to read that, because of the huge number of ads on that page.

They're giving you their content for free. It's a transaction--you want something, you pay for it. In the case of free content from an excellent magazine, in the form of ads.

If you want to steal it, install an ad blocker.

You can also buy the magazine in paper form, but you'd probably get upset because there's ads in there too.

Applications are open for YC Summer 2019

Guidelines | FAQ | Support | API | Security | Lists | Bookmarklet | Legal | Apply to YC | Contact