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You need both (or one person who has both characteristics).

Just curious, how often do you interview a founder that has both characteristics? I've met a few people like that, but it's definitely a rarity.

We often interview people who have both to some degree-- i.e. are both formidable people and good hackers. It is of course much rarer to meet someone who is as good as each of those two at the part they were best at.

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