It brings to mind YouTube's issues with advertisers and their clients being fools. People head away from the stale inoffensive mass market of television and then they start complaining about their brand being associated with it. Rather than realize that is where the traffic is try to reshape things to what they already left.
Your worries about the rise of think of the children excuses, well, there are a lot of children there. Maybe we should think of them...
The big reason I'm not worried is that no change is ever permanent. If the rules turn out to be too restrictive, then do another pass at them. Today, Reddit is a shitty place that I think is a net-negative for the world. If they were to change the rules and turn it into some kind of milquetoast site that was neutral or mildly positive, I think we would be better off.
I think the sad truth is that all that toxicity is making the few people running Reddit a lot of money and that's all they care about.
Rules relaxed again in both cases, but those people would have died long before the rules changed back.
> "think of the children"
Where social media is concerned, the situation is different. The worry is that "the children" will grow up with a bunch of insane, toxic ideas, and their behavior will endanger the rest of us.
So it would be more apt to say "think of the adults!"
Was this guy a PR guy for reddit like the former google PR woman lambasting google?
What's with the childishness of these former tech people? Just because things haven't gone your way, you whine all day?
Reddit and social has made the world a lot better place. LGBT people are better accepted in society because of reddit and social media. People from religions like mormons are better able to separate themselves from the tyranny of their religion. Atheists are more accepted. A black president, something almost unthinkable, was elected partly because of reddit and social media.
I'd rather a world without nymag and journalists than a world without HN, reddit, etc.
Ever since trump's election, we've had nonstop propaganda from the useless agenda pushing journalists and their media organizations.
I wish these children would grow up already. The point of elections and life is that you win some and you lose some.
Instead of giving preference to useless news and magazines, social media companies should simply ban then just to give them a taste of their own medicine.
And what made reddit, twitter and much of social media so toxic isn't social media, it's journalists and media companies pushing their way into social media.
Reddit became toxic when it succumb to media pressure to give journalists and media companies special preference. And when major default subs like politics, news, worldnews, etc got handed over to the media and the democratic party.
You are against corporations and nation states exploiting social media so you want corporations and nation states to moderate it? Doesn't make much sense.
Odd that you aren't calling for the moderation of traditional media.
All the wars, the arab spring issues and even trump isn't a social media issue, it's a traditional media issue. If you are truly worried about corporations and nation states exploiting something, you'd be up in arms over traditional media.
I still haven't been able to cut it out of my daily reading habits, but that's a lingering effect of how good it was 5+ years ago. The current state of it errodes that each passing day.
For those who don't remember the meltdown I'm referring to, for a few days after FPH was banned, its users brigaded every big sub and upvoted photoshopped pictures of Ellen Pao's face on to the body of a morbidly obese person. It was possibly the most childish form of acting out I'd ever seen.
Now there are so many rules in place due to over moderation that Reddit feels like the last online community to know about breaking news.
The general consensus has shifted to be much less like the pragmatic tech community (value in free speech and rights along with being a good person) to a virtue signaling group that values feelings over anything else.
Well, that all probably sounds like I'm a disgusting person full of hate, but I'm really not. I want everyone to be able to have a fair shot at achieving their dreams. I just think we're going to be able to make healthy progress with such censorship and handholding.
A pulse that has always depended on upvotes and downvotes, and thus has always been susceptible to being gamed. The reason subs like r/t_d were blocked from r/all was because they did this exact thing; their posts would receives thousands of upvotes within minutes of posting, yet the upvotes-to-comments ratio was always very low, meaning real people weren't engaging with the content as much as the bots were.
> The general consensus has shifted to be much less like the pragmatic tech community (value in free speech and rights along with being a good person) to a virtue signaling group that values feelings over anything else.
I hear this a lot, without much in the way of concrete examples. Each time the free speech issue gets raised, it results in angry redditors creating their own "virtue signaling" offshoot subs like "r/uncensored_news". Unsurprisingly, it attracts the most toxic members of the community until it consists almost entirely of hate speech, and the site admins are forced to ban it.
And I say 'forced' because that's what it is; just because r/whiterights and other subs have been banned doesn't mean there aren't hate subs on Reddit still operating freely. The admins to this day still allow for a live and let live approach UNTIL a real-world event forces them to take action. r/incels was a growing community until the Toronto van attack for example.