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Countless smokers stopped using cigarettes because of vaping. Vaping is not about eliminating risk but risk reduction. Long-term effect research is lacking by simple lack of long-term data due to how new the market is, but the overwhelming majority of data there is for now points towards it being a far safer alternative to smoking cigarettes.

Want to ban vaping? Ban goddamned cigarettes too, then, if you want to be anywhere close to consistent.




I am consistent. I don't see a distinction between companies that sell cigarettes and vaping equipment. They are the same industry. And that industry should just close down. It has no useful purpose and is additionally extremely harmful.


Outright banning cigarettes won't and never happened anywhere, as far as I know. I don't see why vaping should be treated differently, if you think they're similar industries (which I agree on).

Regulate the market like cigarettes are, but damn, why outright ban it?


I didn't say banning cigarettes. The question was "what else could the industry do?". And I wrote the best they could do is to shut down and do something useful.


> do something useful

Well that's bad faith if I've ever seen it. Not every industry out there has to be "useful", some are there for convenience. One could also argue that allowing people to switch from vaping to smoking is a huge plus in risk reduction and potentially (for now, with the data we have, more than likely) health.


> Well that's bad faith if I've ever seen it. Not every industry out there has to be "useful", some are there for convenience.

That's not bad faith, that's arguing over semantics. You two clearly have different definitions of "useful".




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