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That method is far superior to the current method but teachers don't like it because it takes "resources" away from the teacher. That's the argument I've heard on other forums when discussing the flipping the classroom method. The teachers say that it is better if they explain the material in the classroom and answer questions immediately. So expect to get quite a bit of push back on the flipping the classroom method. That's the reality. I've noticed that there are quite a few teachers that are basically fearful of some new technology or method popping up that replaces them. Education has become far too political from what I've seen.



They have to know the material with that method.

I have a great career record in training. This is the method I use, but compressed a bit, due to shorter learning times.

The teachers employing this method will need to have very fully explored it. Then, when students see them, they are ready for all those interactions.

The difference is experience in guiding people through material, vs assisting them in applying and exploring it.

Frankly, guidance can be replaced.

Teachers who embrace the method, amd who make the investments will be invaluable. Each class they do improves them as much as it does students. Over time, there will be very little they cannot help students with.

Everyone gets real mastery.


Yeah, I've heard that argument as well, but I think it fails. As a math teacher myself, I would love it if kids would go read about the lecture at home and then we could work problems the next day. I try to do that anyway, but it's difficult when I've got a lot of material to cover and can't give them a day to practice after every lecture. Not to mention that a lot of kids don't know what they don't understand until they attempt to do it


Those attempts do three very important things:

Clarify poor understanding.

Result in awesome (for them) questions. They will be the ones they need, and often the more aggressive people will ask want type questions, seeking. All high value.

Educator will be challenged more deeply and broadly over time as they see better questions over time. New ones require effort, and that brings both greater mastery of the topic and how best to frame it up for people about to jump in and start understanding.

Should educators analyze those questions, they can augment all this by a quick "chalk talk" prep session to help all this along, stimulate more and better thinking.

This has been standard for me in various education roles over the years. It is rough the first few iterations, then very rewarding for all involved after that.

Turns out people, and their diverse backgounds and experiences will both approach things in surprising ways, as well as think in diverse, at times, equally surprising ways.

Understanding that better, as well as having some broad experience seen over time, very seriously improved my ability to identify with a given student and have a more accurate mental map of where they are. I can then seek to fill in gaps, or entertain extensions (their seeking) as time and their desire permit.

Worth it. Not the easiest way, but is my goto every time.


I completely agree. I try to do it as well, but my biggest issue with it ends up being time constraints and the teacher I mentioned in another post who wants us to all be doing the same thing on the same day (said teacher also prides herself on how fast she covers the material... Kids don't like it as she never reviews or spends more than a day on any topic)


Just revisited this. There should be topics and time.

How that time gets used is really driven by students. They get there, or they do not.

And, doing all this is expensive human time. They really want, need and should get there.

One thing I get to do, as my role is rarely formal education, is prepare 200 percent topic agendas. Prep as if I have Feynmans in the room. Look out! Here they come. :D

(And I am always hoping, because when that happens I myself am definitely going to learn something. Often pain in the ass learning, but it keeps my blood pumping, leaving nothing but getting after my own understanding.)

Then, assign priorities.

Basics get done no matter what. I do not want fails. Just quietly drop extras.

From there, I am highly likely to be golden. Usually, someone asks something new. Good. I got the prep done solid, so I research that one, add to the library of stuff I have ready.

Then, I coach them, they tackle stuff, wash, rinse repeat. I will, depending on material, also show a solution or few, again depending. Discuss, on to the next.

Over time, I get super good at whatever it is, and students can generally max out, getting all they can.

When I can, I set a chunk of the time aside as open time. People can fill a gap with that. Or explore, seek. Whatever. I am there to assist and challenge as they need.

This is a challenging way to do the work, but it works well. Often, I am doing this for people who just took jobs, or who have some requirement. Fails are painful. That is why I do it this way.

Just some context for my comments above.

There is a bonus. Once I have prepped and delivered a few times, I can often do the course by rote. My own mastery ends up solid, and I've got a ton of context, accumulated one student at a time, to work from when identifying where people new to me are, and what they are likely to need. Those go into the chalk talk, which almost always has custom bits tuned for the group at hand.

And that is tools, not solutions. They do that, picking up the reference material, exercizes, and the bits from the coaching talk.

Competency tends to come reasonably quickly. Then we do fun stuff, entertain any seeking, special needs, wants as time allows.


Too bad the students are not at the same frame of mind each day.


Yeah, for sure. I think it is a great method as well. When I was in college, I had a calculus teacher teach using the flipping the classroom method and it worked amazing. Probably one of the best math classes I have ever taken. At the time I had a serious "math-phobia" and calculus was something I had previously struggled in.

The teacher basically just made youtube videos and explained the concepts. If you didn't understand something you could just re-watch the video. After the video another set of videos explained problems and how to solve them.




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