For 30 years, Queensland has been in a different time zone to NSW and Victoria during summer, because it has never adopted daylight savings. For this, such wonderful arguments were advanced such as "It will fade the curtains" (Wait, wat) and it will upset the cows to be milked at a different time.
And across the other side of Australia, Western Australia (always a, er, special place) has had FOUR referendums in the last 50 years on whether to adopt daylight savings. All were rejected.
So watching Europe deal with this pragmatically and quickly is quite pleasing to watch.
The obvious solution would be not to shift the milking time with DST but then it means that the truck picking up the milk for the factory will arrive one hour later which creates issues with conserving the milk properly, so you basically have the problem at one point or an other.
Don't know where this comes from..!
The milk is (was at least when I grew up) supposed to ve cooled down to 4 degrees (Celcius, that is) ASAP. As long as that is done and you follow the recommendations for washing and disinfecting everything you should be fine even with half a day delay or more
Source: grew up on a dairy farm, went to farming school.
I've heard this before. I'm pretty sure it dates back to the days before refrigeration when the milk was transported from cow to consumer every morning.
So if the milk truck driver follows DST, then you do too (or you need to pad your schedule by an hour to allow for a smooth transition to DST, which can be hard to do when you're first on the route and he comes at 7am)
So basically you'll use the same time all year but it will probably be up to every country to decide whether or not it's summer time. Cows rejoice, they will be milked at a constant time which may or may not differ by 1h from present time.
As a human I actually care about that 1h, it's not enough that we stop switching back and forth, I would personally like more daylight in the evening.
Want more sunlight in the evening? Find an employer who closes shop a fixed time before sunset.
Don't want to go to work in the dark? Find a job where you get to start a fixed time after sunrise.
Having both would lead to longer working days in summer and shorter ones in winter, but I think that would be acceptable in many cases.
The obvious reason why such a scheme wasn't implemented is that the calculations required would be annoying to do manually, but by now that can be taken care of by technology.
You can come in between 8:00 and 9:00 and leave between 16:00 and 18:00. The whole thing is beaned by an electronic box with a finger scanner.
Works pretty well. Tacit rule is overtime is used to extend an out-of-office lunch break but it gets converted into an obligatory off day when you hit the 8h bar.
You are not supposed to make more than 1 day and a half per month this way.
Invariably for me, this meant I’d start when I woke up (06:00) and work through the evening (past 21:00 was the usual minimum)
My new job has a guarantee about starting no earlier than 08:00 and leaving no later than 19:00.
Where do you work? Sounds great.
But most jobs don't have it and switching jobs based on this is a tall order for the majority of people affected. It's more or less like saying "just find a job that pays a lot better". So whatever time is chosen some people will be left disappointed. One of them repeatedly downvoted me just for saying I'd rather have sunlight in the evening :).
The whole point is to not have to adjust your body's rhythm, and also to eliminate the planning glitches that occur around the moment of the switch, not just to save time on turning back a clock.
When the work day begins and ends varies widely for a lot of people.
And regardless of whether there is more daylight in the morning or evening because of a one time change, people will drift back to the times that work for them. Just as they would if we arbitrarily moved the clock ahead by 6 hours.
Oh, and the EU server broke when I tried to validate my answer...
But you're wrong to assume it's as representative as a newspaper poll. It might not be binding but this doesn't change the fact that it's representative of people's wishes. A newspaper poll is not representative simply because each publication has a very specific audience. This consultation did not (unless you count "having internet" as very specific).
I wouldn't trust an electronic poll any more than I'd trust an electronic voting machine.
Every person I know in multiple countries is either very indifferent towards this decision or would prefer to abolish the clock change. It may be anecdotal but it supports the fact that in this day and age you really don't need to shift the hour anymore because there's no benefit to it. Plenty of disbenefits though. You don't need a hack to prove this is true and that people feel those disbenefits.
Not enough of a reason to warrant saving DST, but enough that there was definitely a difference in most of them.
I see what you did there. Nice!
I don't think at the time people could foresee the impact of online business, when it really doesn't matter where you are or what time it is.
My major problem is less about DST than the fact that all of Indiana should be on Chicago time all year. Mean solar noon is waaaaay off from clock noon, all year long. I got really f'ing sick of waiting at the school bus stop in the dark for 10 years.
The cow milking argument has always been pure idiocy. Let's make the "kids starting school before the cows even wake up" argument for once.
Source: Graduated high school about an hour from there, then lived in different small towns outside of the area. Was pretty popular for folks to go party at purdue on the weekends if you knew someone there and had willing enough parents. This was both before the adopted DST and after.
Edit: Another Queensland premier Peter Beattie claimed daylight savings would increase skin cancer rates.
Can you expand on this? Or is this an east vs west viewpoint?
Ridiculous! That sounds like Portugal and Spain. If one lives in Porto and travels just north of the border to Vigo (Galicia), it's an hour ahead. Apparently it was done by Franco who wanted to be on the same time as Hitler 
1 - https://text.npr.org/s.php?sId=244995264
That said, I live in NSW and run a team that needs to maintain a 24/7 rotation, and dearly wish they would nuke DST once and for all worldwide: Oct/Nov and Mar/Apr are a sequence of steady pain as various offices move by an hour in one direction or another, each on different weeks of course.
That way, rather than sounding like they expect something extra in the summer, it sounds like they are making a helpful accommodation in the winter.
(Also, it's probably not even necessary for those with desk jobs. Arguably it's worse because you are less able to experience at least a little daylight after work.)
In fact, I think this is why intermittent fasting is somewhat easy to adopt: it's surprisingly fast to adapt your body to a different meal schedule, as long as you're eating as much as you need.
Also, I'm not sure if it was intentional, but I appreciate your pun. It is indeed about time.
Or do you just expect Australia to adopt a nocturnal working pattern so they can use UTC?
If you take away timezones and just say "everybody use UTC and somehow figure out how to adjust it to your local conditions", you've just pushed the cost of figuring out reasonable start & end times for different geographies onto every single member of society. All that will happen is people will come up with their own mappings between UTC and local conditions and guess what? They will look pretty close to what we have with timezones right now only it won't be standardized at all--making a huge mess of things. Outlook calendar will have its own mapping and Google Calendar will have a different one. Your company might have its own internal mapping that is different from your suppliers. Whoa be the person who tries to coordinate an event across these mappings ("your company does lunch at 17:49? Ours does it at 18:42 because that is closer to when the sun is overhead and people like to get in around 12:42")
This is all fun to entertain as a thought experiment but we will never get rid of timezones because, quite frankly, they are far to useful.
Yes. (Or better, give employees flexibility to come in at a time that works for them).
> If you take away timezones and just say "everybody use UTC and somehow figure out how to adjust it to your local conditions", you've just pushed the cost of figuring out reasonable start & end times for different geographies onto every single member of society. All that will happen is people will come up with their own mappings between UTC and local conditions and guess what? They will look pretty close to what we have with timezones right now only it won't be standardized at all--making a huge mess of things. Outlook calendar will have its own mapping and Google Calendar will have a different one. Your company might have its own internal mapping that is different from your suppliers. Whoa be the person who tries to coordinate an event across these mappings ("your company does lunch at 17:49? Ours does it at 18:42 because that is closer to when the sun is overhead and people like to get in around 12:42")
"Mapping UTC onto local conditions" is not a problem that you ever have to solve. There are two kinds of problems you need to solve: coordinating events that happen in one location, and coordinating events that happen at a particular instant with people from multiple locations. For the first kind it doesn't matter if every office has its own solution - indeed it's better if every office has its own solution that fits their own conditions and the Norway office can start work at 8 and the Spain office can start at 11 if that suits the local climate, rather than deciding that both those countries are on CET so they'd both better start at 9AM CET. For coordinating a simultaneous event, UTC is the only thing that works (because if you try to use your local time and you get the offsets wrong, neither of you will notice).
> Whoa be the person who tries to coordinate an event across these mappings ("your company does lunch at 17:49? Ours does it at 18:42 because that is closer to when the sun is overhead and people like to get in around 12:42")
What problem does this create that doesn't already exist? If you're trying to arrange a lunch today, some people have lunch at 12, 1 or even 1:30 local time.
"Nine to five, what a way to make a living... "
> or when is noon.
12 PM. Noon means 12 PM. Changing this isn't really an option.
More to the point:
> Remembering what's a reasonable time of day in each locality is the same amount of information as remembering what their timezones are.
Hey, admitting your proposed change is a Bavarian Fire Drill is the first step towards recovery.
> Nine to five
No? If everyone's on the same time zone, the answer to this is different everywhere.
Sure, you still have to remember a time difference or negotiate back and forth. That part is the same amount of work. But you avoid a bunch of failure cases:
* Person from a large country with one official timezone (e.g. China) assumes that when the guy in New York says "10AM my time" that means the same as when the guy in San Francisco does.
* Weekly call at 10AM New York time, person from elsewhere in the world assumes it's going to be at the same time this week as last week, but it isn't because US DST changed on a different week from everyone else's.
* Both people misremember what the offset between their timezones is, think they've agreed on a time, neither notices until the call happens.
Besides, if you phone somebody on another country, you still have to figure out if 3am utc is ok. It's the same amount of work and as easy to memorise than an approximate time zone.
If you communicate with people abroad then you need to be able to agree times with them, even if you never physically meet up. (Apart from anything else, this can be a more human-friendly way to do 24-hour support: have people who live in different parts of the world work on your product and cover support at different times, even if they rarely meet in person).
> Besides, if you phone somebody on another country, you still have to figure out if 3am utc is ok. It's the same amount of work and as easy to memorise than an approximate time zone.
True, but at least you both agree on what time 3AM is, and if you e.g. reverse the sign of the offset then you'll notice this when arranging the call.
The author fails to mention that we could solve the problems that article brings up by making everyone work from 0800 to 1700, globally, once everyone is on UTC. I think people are just bull-headed enough to make this work, even if it means some people never see the Sun ever again. If China can spread one time zone over five, spreading one time zone over twenty four is just a matter of The Same, But Stupider.
You can use it any time you want.
Actually it would be more of a benefit if it were staggered in the winter since lots are on holiday in the summer.
So I propose scrapping summer time and bringing in winter time. That'll confuse the cows.
If an activity depends on the sunrise, and not the position of the hands on the clock, then maybe they should, I dunno, schedule around the sun instead of the clock. I know, seems like crazy talk. Farmers should have farming clocks, not break everybody else's clock to align with the sun.
Growing up on a farm, nobody hates DST MORE than farmers. DST was not setup for farmers, it was an energy saving device from WW1. Please stop spreading that DST is for Farmers, its plain wrong.
The entire concept is only kept alive today thanks to the golf industry, imho. The upper crust- politicians, bankers, the wealthy generally- like golfing. Poor people don't golf and often are unable to pay whatever fees are needed to even enter golf clubs or buy the needed equipment.
What does that have to do with golf? If the sun sets later, relative to the time you get off work, you can get more rounds of golf in. Now, you might ask "why not just leave work earlier?". Because then you look like a slacker who leaves work early to go golfing! But if all of society is told to get to and leave work early by an hour (relative to the sun's actual rise and set) then you're leaving at the same time as everyone else.
Because most people aren't a SV engineer living in a bubble. They are shift workers (nurse, cashier, police officer, etc) and your hours are 8am -> 4pm. I have no stats to back this up, but a hell of a lot of people are shift workers and can't just roll in an hour later because they wanted to optimize around the sunrise. They get in when they are scheduled. You think an employer is gonna implement DST?
Much better to just level the playing field and shift the whole clock an hour forward or backwards so everybody can get the benefits of additional daylight. There are winners and losers to doing this, but on a whole society has determined it to be beneficial to shift the clock back and forward based on time-of-year.
PS: If it were me, I'd perma-shift the clock towards DST. Durning the winter months in the northern latitudes it gets pretty fscking dark and nothing is worse than leaving work and having no daylight.
You are mistaken if you think that society decided this. At least in Europe there wasn't a special referendum for it. It was just decided by politicians because of the oil crisis in the 70s and lingered around. The EU only standardized the date of the switches in 1996.
But the more important point is, there are a lot of shift workers, and some like the extra light in the evening, some hate the dark in the morning, and some just hate the clock adjusting around the house more than the dark-light issue.
For me, DST is more like a too simple solution for a much complex problem and too inflexible.
I've never figured out how an extra hour of artificial light in the morning is more than offset by one less hour of artificial light in the afternoon.
Extra daylight in the morning helps my commute, which doesn't care about artificial light. Extra daylight in the evening can be spent biking, at the pool, etc.
I'm no farmer, but I'm pretty sure that they have a general idea of what time it is.
All you need to do is change your schedule.
Easy for you to say. Not so easy when you work in an industry with shifts (nursing, doctors, retail, manufacturing, etc). Not everybody gets the luxury of a flex schedule.
I think changing the time is probably a lot easier.
I personally don't think that is enough to make it better.
We have accurate clocks - have had for a long time. If you need to shift football practice or construction work or something... Just start at nine in the darkest period, eight in between and seven when there's light at seven. Or vice-versa for the evenings.
"we'll meet at four your time"
"why weren't you there?? I googled 'current time utc!!'"
"because we're on BST, aka IST, aka UTC+1 in the summer"
But this rando website says UK/Ireland is UTC!!
Someday, somehow, we'll teach people that if you're using PST in the summer, there's a 99% chance you're wrong.
The Olson TZ data works on cities (e.g. "Europe/London" or "America/Los_Angeles") but more importantly because a city has all these humans living in it there must actually be a real working answer, or it'd be chaos. Even if the person you're speaking to isn't _from_ or working/ living in the major named city, they will have a better idea what the time is in nearby major cities than how timezones work around the world. Nobody in, say, Nantes is confused as to what time it is in Paris but they may be unclear about PST vs PDT.
It's unfortunate that the two systems aren't in sync, but they were developed in parallell and have different data structures.
It doesn't actually make a difference. We still switch at the same time that the rest of Europe does.
In my experience, people in the UK refer to their time as "GMT" all the year round.
Putting the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland in different time zones would be.. annoying, at the least.
Then again you said Britain, not the UK, but I can imagine the DUP protesting pretty loudly if NI were in a different timezone to GB.
Nomenclature is fun.
6 PM CT
5 PM MT
4 PM PT
Hopefully t's will get crossed and i's will get dotted before winter time kicks in this year.
As a reference, Spain has been in the wrong time zone for decades (GMT+1 instead of GMT) but they have no problems with that.
In Spain the real problem is the brain dead broken hours with a huge gap in the middle for "lunch". That's a relic from the time after the war when most people had two jobs and some companies are very reluctant to change it because of the butt-time mindset or other idiotic reasons.
The sun reaches its highest point at a time sufficiently far from 12:00.
> the whole world could just use UTC and nothing would happen.
That is not true. What would happen is that times would lose all intrinsic meaning. When you schedule an international call, people can say "that's 5 o'clock in the morning for us". If the whole word were to use UTC, you would loose that, and we would have to invent a new way to say that. You know – some kind of "localized time" :).
That's answering by reformulating the question. Now I would ask why is having the noon "sufficiently far" from 12:00 wrong.
What would happen is that times would lose all intrinsic meaning.
You did it again.
When you schedule an international call, people can say "that's 5 o'clock in the morning for us". If the whole word were to use UTC, you would loose that, and we would have to invent a new way to say that. You know – some kind of "localized time" :).
Is scheduling internation calls really the biggest problem that would arise? Good.
Anyway, you would say: "we are available from 22:00 to 4:00" and that is all. The way to say what time of the day is already exists: morning, afternoon...
>> The sun reaches its highest point at a time sufficiently far from 12:00.
> That's answering by reformulating the question. Now I would ask why is having the noon "sufficiently far" from 12:00 wrong.
No, that's you moving the goalpost. I answered your question.
>>> nothing would happen.
>> What would happen is that times would lose all intrinsic meaning.
> You did it again.
I did what again? I explained how "nothing" is not what would happen.
> Is scheduling internation calls really the biggest problem that would arise? Good.
This might seem lazy, but I discovered in another answer here that somebody made this point already way better than I ever could: https://qntm.org/abolish.
Anything that is difficult right now due to time zones will stay difficult. It is difficult because of humans and their desire for daylight. You always need two time systems: One that represents local usage of time and one mostly for machines. We already have that.
It's also odd getting up at 7am here and it's still pretty darkish in August.
Only that their lifestyle is approximateley 1 hour shifted. Stuff like eating at 21:00 or 22:00.
I agree, it would be great if the recommendation to abolish daylight saving gets passed within the next months.
actually abolishing it should be planned at least one year into the future, it would be a nightmare otherwise. There are so many systems in place that are automatically switching between time zones, and all of them need to be deprecated.
such a change cant be done within ~2 month.
It was chaos.
1) People who care about abolishing it are way more likely to vote.
2) It depended heavily on media broadcasting the fact that it exists. This is why 90% of the 4M people are German; their media picked it up.
Whether you want to get rid of it or not; both are fine. However, this poll isn't a reasonable argument in favour of it.
It wasn't a widely advertised referendum where everyone was asked for their opinion. It was a consultation that got picked up by a few media outlets (and HN if memory serves me well). Public interest was high enough that millions took note and answered. Plus, it's the EU - which nobody ever hears about in my neck of the woods.
Most of the time, nobody hears about these consultations  except the small circle of interest groups that lobby EU institutions. Much like on Capital Hill across the pond, their input, rather than that of the general public, is what makes or breaks legislation. In that context, getting 4.6M answers from the general public is a reasonable argument in favor.
If "your" media didn't pick it up, blame them. What happens in the EU matters more than national squabbles.
They consulted at the request of the Parliament. Junker took note of the unusual popularity of the consultation and the strength of the consensus. Northern countries (Finland, Baltic countries) have been calling for it for years.
More cynically, it's unusual enough for the Commission to have a popular topic on their plate. So better get media attention for that, than for sulfurous topics like the migration crisis or boring ones like the EU's multi-annual budget.
i am not even sure it was anonymous, but you could provide them also reasoning, my was - good luck explaining small baby/child why it has to move its sleep by one hour, children need routine, otherwise have problem to sleep
never experienced this nonsense in eastern Asia, anyway everyone use artificial lightning, no matter what time you are following
as for swift change, i think it was already approved we will change hours until 2024 until they will also cancel agreed plan
Imho the summertime should be abolished for all member states..
Given that we already have a bunch of timezones within the EU how is that any more chaotic than what we have today?
I also expect that, as in the USA, the dates to switch to DST and out of it would be uniform within the EU, just as they are in the USA (if you have DST, switch the second Sunday in March and the first Sunday in November in the USA, last Sunday’s of March and October in the EU)
It could get interesting at times, though. My personal record is four time changes in a day, on a trip from Minneapolis to LA with a stop in Phoenix.
1. Switch to DST the night before leaving Minneapolis (triple-checking alarm clock settings)
2. Switch to what I thought would be Phoenix time.
3. Upon learning that (most of; see https://www.timeanddate.com/time/us/arizona-no-dst.html) Arizona doesn’t do DST, switch to Phoenix’s non-DST time.
4. Switch to LA time.
You misunderstand, the twice-yearly variation is what happens now. The proposal is to do away with it.
 For the Netherlands that would only be a partial switch back, as they were on GMT+0.20' before that.
FWIW remaining on summer time is the recommendation.
"Outdoors" season pretty much starts at ends with DST switching.
It's not that people in Scandinavia isn't used to having pitch black mornings in the winter, it's about the sun not rising until 10 - 10:30.
But this does seem to be a pretty polarizing issue.
Permanent winter time is the way to go.
Summer time is equivalent of UTC+2
Winter time is equivalent of UTC+1
I mean, if it had a proven benefit for kids, schools could start at different hours depending on the seasons.
Companies can decide to start at 10 or 8 instead of 9, etc.
More light in the evening doesn’t seem to make sense to me as we are the ones deciding when is “evening”
I've also lived almost all my life in a "recreational paradise" state far from the coasts where its totally normal for there to be at least one, often many, "in-season" work hours vs "out-season" work hour thru the year. Much like agonizing over average temperatures is heard but isn't an issue, its not a problem for the millions who live around here.
This is a fairly big problem in modern life, as far as I can see.
Traditionally, I assume what happened was that you worked at your employer, and your wife went to the bank.
If one of the behemoth decides to start working at 11am -> 9pm, a lot of contractors and related services will move to the same time tables.
I fully agree with you, but in many people do not agree with your argument.
Interestingly in my experience whether people agree with this is different depending on whether that person has a STEM/non-STEM study or job, STEM people tend to agree.
So in fact, it's much easier to change what the clocks say than it is to change either of these.
> More light in the evening doesn’t seem to make sense to me as we are the ones deciding when is “evening”
Western society has pretty much embedded the idea that the day is centered around 16:00 (4PM) and "night" around 03:00~04:00.
Lights out being when the vast majority of people are asleep with no light when they're actually up is stupid.
Where I'm from, 4PM is late in the day, just a few hours from bedtime, and 4AM is nearly time to wake up.
There are at least 4 or 5 hours in difference between dinner time in western societies. From 6 PM in some Anglosaxon countries to 8/10 PM in Italy (North / South) to 10/11 in Spain.
But remember that they are in the wrong time zone, so they always get one extra hour of light in the evening and one less in morning. This could account for the one hour of difference with comparable latitudes in Italy.
The past summer was a good example, you can't spend any time outside before the sun goes down because it's just too hot in direct sunlight. If anything we should move the clock back an hour in summer, not an hour forward. It doesn't start being nice to be outside until after dusk.
At the cost of having the sun out at 3:30 AM? I'm not sure I like that idea.
Either way, Spain solves it by having siesta (at the peak). We don't have that in France or Belgium or The Netherlands.
Because when it is very warm, the best thing to do is not waste any energy and the best way to do that is rest/sleep instead of work.
You can keep the sun out of your house a lot easier than keeping it out of all of the outside world.
>State Sen. Greg Steube, who sponsored the bill, said that the idea of year-round daylight time has enormous support among Floridians.
"I've heard from mayors across the state that it's going to save them money because they don't have to light their softball fields at night," Steube said, according to the Miami Herald. "I can't tell you how many people have come up to me who have said even my high school-age kid, it's hard to get him up in the morning when we fall back the clocks."
Live in a non-DST timezone, and nothings bad.
Live in a timezone observing DST and you get the time shift twice a year, without fail.
I'd say it's more like saying - "Travelling is terrible because I hate jet lag".
I agree that it's not a very good argument. I'd say a better one that it's a weaker version of is: DST kills people:
Except the sun goes down a LOT earlier in Florida which is much closer to the equator than northern Europe. In summer the sun doesn't go down until after 10PM here. If you want to have a BBQ and not burn alive while doing it, you have to start at 22:30 at the earliest. That's just not a realistic time if you have to work the next day.
edit: Also, in Florida the days get shorter during the summer, over here they get longer.
I'm not sure what do you mean, but it doesn't seem right.
Either the days in Florida get longer during the summer relative to the winter, as they do in Europe, or the days in Florida get shorter as the summer advances, as they do in Europe (the longest day everywhere in the Northern hemisphere is around June 21).
When you are in the real tropics, that adds a surprising twist to the experience of seasons, including disorientation when your shadow points towards the opposite pole for part of the year!
Ah, I was just thinking about the heat, but that's a good point.
>edit: Also, in Florida the days get shorter during the summer, over here they get longer.
No they don't. Like other places in the northern hemisphere, the summer solstice is the longest day of the year in Florida - and the winter solstice is the shortest.
However whether the better solution is to just wake up earlier or officially shift the time, I do not know. That question is entirely up to what's easier for society to organise.
It's probably true for most places in Europe except southern Italy. Remember that the farther north you go the more daylight you get.
I am 100% for getting rid of this dumb system.
"The European commission will recommend that EU member states abandon the practice of changing the clocks in spring and autumn in favour of staying on summer time throughout the year."
The definition of noon is when the sun is at its highest point. Yes, due to timezones real noon may be half an hour from clock noon — but that's all (modulo places which are on a neighbouring timezone for reasons; regardless, being more than 1½ hours from real time is political stupidity).
Are you in China? I understand the PRC believes that all Chinese should be on Beijing time — c.f. above, under political stupidity.
A historically tenuous regional decision about naming, does not influence global reality beyond being contextually incompatible. So what?
+1 1PM middday.
Full disclosure : I am not a morning person.
For maximum health & energy efficiency, though, we probably ought to (just like we probably ought to build our houses so that air conditioning is optional & heating is efficient).
For instance normal time is pretty close to solar time when you're around Berlin.
Most people don't center their night around 00:00, it's usually centered around 03:00~04:00
Better to have the light even later in winter, instead of while inside during work, like 14-20.
The part that's weird is that everyone have arguments as to why DST would be better, but the country that actually tried it switch to permanent winter time after few years.
Between 1948 and 1981 Denmark didn't even have summer time and Germany managed just fine without DST from 1949 to 1980, so why can't we go back to not having it?
As it is now, in November we will subtract one hour from the time on our clocks. This means that if it gets dark at 7pm on November 3, on November 4 it will instead get dark 6pm since an hour has been lost.
I am actually an advocate for going in the other extreme--make current DST the default (that is, +1 always), but in the winter set clocks forward another hour (+2 total), so it stays lighter in the evening. This way we get more daylight in the winter when we actually need it! I'd rather have daylight after work than before work so I can actually enjoy it.
Rigth now (since 2014) we have only "winter" time for all regions except for a few (like Altai for example)
Single time zone earth please
If you want a fixed standard time, we already have UTC, - get used to it and the offset of the _local_ times you need to know.
Also, just like you don't need to remember timezones today (you can just google them), you won't need to remember daylight hours (or whatever the terminology will end up being) in a single timezone future (because Google will know)!
Yes! Why have a single, standard system known as timezones when each and every calendaring app can have their own "not a timezone" timezone mappings. That way Apple, Google and Microsoft can have three incompatible mappings between UTC and local time.... er.... accepted local customs. It will be great!
Also, once you know the easy-to-remember-or-lookup offsets of the locations you interact with you can even translate in your head to save others the effort.
Have you ever considered that people might be just assholes? :)
This is a weak argument for keeping timezones around imo.
Not only will all references to times in movies etc stop making sense. It will not even help to solve any of the perceived problems, like scheduling calls. You might be able to specify the time without a time zone, but you still have to look up if that time is within their daytime.
Literally the only people who would profit are those tasked with maintaining time-related functions in operating systems... who would lose their jobs.
but only when the Gravitational constant is measured with more precision.
Nowadays, you could have that easily as an app on your smart watch, but of course, there are far fewer people wearing smart watches.
Also don't forget the egalitarian approach of using a time format that's equally foreign to everybody.
Kinda like how SI units are easier to reason about than imperal ones.