2080 Ti FE RTX 2080 Ti GTX 1080 Ti
Price $1,199 $999 $699
GPU Architecture Turing Turing Pascal
Boost Clock 1635 MHz 1545 MHz 1582 MHz
Frame Buffer 11 GB GDDR6 11 GB GDDR6 11 GB GDDR5X
Memory Speed 14 Gbps 14 Gbps 11 Gbps
Memory Interface 352-bit 352-bit 352-bit
CUDA Cores 4352 4352 3584
TDP 260W 250W 250W
Giga Rays 10 10 ?
2080 FE RTX 2080 GTX 1080
Price $799 $699 $549
GPU Architecture Turing Turing Pascal
Boost Clock 1800 MHz 1710 MHz 1733 MHz
Frame Buffer 8 GB GDDR6 8 GB GDDR6 8 GB GDDR5X
Memory Speed 14 Gbps 14 Gbps 10 Gbps
Memory Interface 256-bit 256-bit 256-bit
CUDA Cores 2944 2944 2560
TDP 225W 215W 180W
Giga Rays 8 8 ?
2070 FE RTX 2070 GTX 1070 Ti GTX 1070
Price $599 $499 $449 $399
GPU Architecture Turing Turing Pascal Pascal
Boost Clock 1710 MHz 1620 MHz 1607 MHz 1683 MHz
Frame Buffer 8 GB GDDR6 8 GB GDDR6 8 GB GDDR5 8 GB GDDR5
Memory Speed 14 Gbps 14 Gbps 8 Gbps 8 Gbps
Memory Interface 256-bit 256-bit 256-bit 256-bit
CUDA Cores 2304 2304 2432 1920
TDP 175W 185W 180W 150W
Giga Rays 6 6 ? ?
RTX 2080 Ti: $999
RTX 2080: $699
RTX 2079: $499
Are you sure the FE TDPs are different from the reference spec? I haven't seen that mentioned anywhere else.
A few years ago prices where mostly 1:1 in USD before taxes and EUR after taxes. So the situation got worse.
I think the main reason is not that anything makes selling the cards there more expensive, but simply that they try to charge more.
Where in reality there shouldn't be any, since sending stuff across the pond costs nothing as seen in products like bananas. At least I live in place which has only 8% VAT, so prices look a bit more like US (but still higher for no good reason)
In any case, it seems VAT is the explanation and in that case price is without premium, even great compared. Still expensive.
- In the first 6 months after purchase, the merchant must replace the product unless they can prove the defect was not present at purchase.
- After 6 months, the burden of proof reverses, and the customer must prove that the defect in question was already present at purchase.
In practice, whatever party has the burden of proof usually doesn't bother. So in effect, "6-month warranty" is a much more realistic description of this 2-year warranty.
(The fine print: Many vendors offer their own voluntary warranty on top of the mandated one. And I don't know if the rules are different in other EU countries.)
In practice, I've never had to prove anything within 2 years of purchase. Might be a difference between Germany and other EU countries, but somehow I doubt that.
They benefit in the perceived sense of reliability of a 2 year warranty. Why buy a product if it's going to fail in 6 months and you can't get it replaced, when the competitor is more likely to treat you fairly.
The warranties do cost something because they add significant risk/cost against each incremental unit, I will grant you that.
Regulations like these have a disproportionate effect relative to volume. NVidia would probably have most of those things even in the absence of the regulations, a couple guys in a garage would certainly not.
* 2080 TI FE is 260W
* 2080 TI is 250W
NVidia's lesson from the Crypto-boom seems to be: "Some gamers are willing to pay >$1000 for their cards".
EDIT: To be fair, NVidia is still on 14nm or 12nm class lithography (I forgot which one). So the increased die size of these new chips will naturally be more expensive than the 10xx series. Bigger chips cost more to produce after all. So if you fail to shrink the die, the economics demand that you increase the price instead.
Still, we all know that NVidia has fat margins. We also know that they overproduced the 1080 series during the Cryptoboom, and that they still want to sell all of their old cards. If they push the prices down too much, then no one will buy the old stuff.
If they did, 1080Ti wouldn't be "out of stock" on their website.
The fire-sales on EVGA 1080 Ti chips make it darn clear that there's too many 1080Ti and 1080 cards out there.
Second: these RTX 2080 chips have been in the rumor mill since June, maybe earlier. The fact that NVidia delayed until now is proof enough. NVidia has been stalling on the release of the RTX series.
But there are alternative sources for what is going on. In particular:
>> Nvidia previously had forecast sales for cryptocurrency chips for the fiscal second quarter ended July 29 of about $100 million. On Thursday it reported actual revenue of only $18 million.
So its not entirely clear who overproduced things per se, but what we DO know is that NVidia was expecting $100 Million cards to be sold to cryptominers between April and July. Only $18 million were sold.
In any case, it is clear that there's a lot of 10xx cards laying around right now. And NVidia clearly wants to extract as much value from current stock as possible. Pricing the 20xx series very high above the 10xx series is one way to achieve what they want.
EDIT: Seems to be a citation from: https://seekingalpha.com/article/4182662-nvidia-appears-gpu-...
That suggests that NVidia has $82+ million worth of 10xx series GPUs laying around somewhere.
So unfortunately, NVidia can bet on a lack of competition for the near future. NVidia can always drop prices when Navi comes out (if it happens to be competitive). But it seems like they're betting that Navi won't be competitive, at least with this pricing structure.
It seems like if you want people to buy your products, letting them know about them and the features they'll support (ex: AVX512) so the hype can build is a good thing.
The latter gives your competitor the freedom to ask any price the market will accept without having to worry about a competitor undercutting this price in some near future.
At CES, AMD said that they'd only have Vega 20 coming up and it was only for the datacenter and AI. And that Navi would be for 2019.
That's like giving a blank check to your competitor, saying "Feel free to set prices anyway you want, you're not going to be bothered by us."