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ishkur wrote this completely tounge in cheek, it's a snarky satire. there are entirely made up genres and artists and not a whole lot of ways to tell what's accurate and what is not.

for example, there is no such thing as speedbass.




If the genres did not exist before, by assigning labels Ishkur changed that, forever. Of course it is full of snarky satire, but truth- and insightful nonetheless. Regarding made up artists, I wouldn't be so sure. It's certainly possible, but the set of obscure artists is immense. Even the set of obscure artist personas of one person can be incomprehensibly large.

If some of the music was just written for inclusion in the guide (which is entirely possible from my point of view since I can identify many, but not all of the examples), how would it be less real than anything else at the bounds of near-infinite obscurity? It would just be another "artist" backed by the same person or collective as the Ishkur handle, just like the numerous incarnations of Bangalter.


to clarify: speedbass was a prank meant to poke fun at folks who are more interested in taxonomizing music than exploring sounds with an open mind.


All music genres have a whiff of taxonomy prank to them, this is not exclusive to the guide. Sure, Ishkur tried to one-up "serious" music publications with e.g. Casiocore. But even there, life experience suggests that it must have independently co-evolved many times, so often that in this case it is even likely that some of those natural occurrences actually involved someone blurting out the name as well. They probably all forgot about it before sobering up though (if the gear is present, p(Casiocore) is approaching 1 with a rising number of drinks).


this is not the case. speedbass was created by terbo ted and a few other folks as a prank before ishkur reported on it (either sincerely or tongue in cheek) but that hasn't got bearings on it's origins as anti-music intentionally messing around with concepts of perception and categorization.


Be that as it may, I've never found something comparable in terms of rapid music discovery and segmentation. I'd pay money for a version that (crucially:) works as well and is regularly updated.


Checkout Musicmap[0], very extensive with history and playlists for each genre. Bit on the heavy side on cpu usage but by far the best one I've found so far.

[0]https://musicmap.info/


This isn't what you want in terms of dynamic content, but I wanted to bring it into the conversation just because of the breadth of segmentation -- http://everynoise.com/engenremap.html


Thanks, very cool.

The instaplay samples from somewhere in the middle of a representative song are what makes this work so well, I think.

It's striking how different it feels compared to MusicMap from the sibling post (which is also neat): MusicMap plays the entire song from the start, so it takes a while for each song to get going. The YouTube embed also takes a second or two to initialise.

Every Noise at Once, on the other hand, gives you a fairly good idea what a genre or artist is a about the moment you click the link. Very similar to Ishkur's Guide in that regard!


Yes, there is. Subgenre of speedcore.


It's not satire, it's hella informative, just some humor mixed in. Even if some of the info may be disputed, the wealth of the rest still outweighs.

The display of relations between genres is pretty much unparalleled, including the dive into subgenres solely focused on obscure features of parent genres, such as the kinkery going on in trance.





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