Hacker News new | comments | show | ask | jobs | submit login

The Allen Institute for Brain Science is in the process of imaging 1 cubic mm of mouse visual cortex using TEM at a resolution of 4nm per pixel. The goal is to complete this in about 4 months running in parallel on 5 scopes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LO8xCLBv6j0&t=70s



That’s very cool. It looks like this was enabled by extremely recent advances in the FIB-SEM devices [0].

I’d say 20 total device-months is a bit optimistic, but maybe they will hit it, and even if they are anywhere close it will be impressive.

20 device-months for 1 mm^3 compared with 360 device-months with the devices I studied in 2012-14 is impressive. I hope they do it!

FWIW, my belief is that this line of research is probably more promising for strong AI than straight development of AI from e.g. meta-reinforcement learning, although in the end it probably will be a mix of these things.

[0]: < https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5476429/#!po=3.... >


Just following-up on this, it's still staggering how long it would take to image the entire 10^6 cubic mm of the whole brain. If it took 20 device-months to image 1 cubic mm, it means we would need 20 million device-months to image the whole brain.

With 10,000 devices running in parallel, and assuming no failure rate (though with a device count this high, failures would happen constantly), that would still require 2000 months (or about 167 years) to image a whole brain.

Let's imagine the technology can undergo some type of Moore's Law (I don't know enough about the underlying SEM physics to know whether there is a clear ceiling on speedups achievable) and the time to image 1 cubic mm halves every two years. This might predict that in ~20 years, we could image a whole brain in about 4 months time (still requiring 10,000 parallel devices).

If you keep going past 20 years and continue the trend, but assume you would halve the device count but keep the 4-month timeline the same, then it would be about 42 years before a set of 5 devices could image the whole brain in 4 months time, or going on ~50 years until 5 devices could do it in less than one month, ~60 years before one device can do it in less than one month. Obviously, hugely gigantic error bars around such estimates.




Applications are open for YC Winter 2019

Guidelines | FAQ | Support | API | Security | Lists | Bookmarklet | Legal | Apply to YC | Contact

Search: