Here's some details: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killian_documents_controversy
CBS then spent the next couple of weeks in a ‘strident defense’ (their own investigators’ words) of the documents and their use, before ceding they screwed up and firing people over the incident.
The blogs leading the document debunking were Powerline and Little Green Footballs.
This was also when the term Pajamas Media was coined (quote from wikipedia PJ_Media page):
> The network's original name was derived from a dismissive comment made by former CBS news executive Jonathan Klein during the 2004 Killian documents affair: "You couldn't have a starker contrast between the multiple layers of checks and balances at 60 Minutes and a guy sitting in his living room in his pajamas."
I followed the whole thing closely at the time -- it was a bit surreal.
Could it happen now? Not as blatant but I simply believe they have changed to simply relying more on innuendo and unidentifiable sources.
I am only trying to get the feel of Pakistani politics here, no personal bias.
> In a separate email, de Groot, the font designer himself, said that while in theory it would have been possible to create a document using Calibri in 2006, the font would have to be obtained from a beta operating system, "from the hands of computer nerds".
> "Why would anyone use a completely unknown font for an official document in 2006?" he went on to question.
> "If the person using Calibri was such a font lover that he or she had to use the new Calibri, then he or she should be able to prove that other documents were printed with Calibri in 2006, and these prints should be in the hands of other people as well," he wrote.
> De Groot said in his opinion the document signed by Maryam Nawaz was "produced much later, when Calibri was the default font in MS Word".
So apparently yes it would be possible but highly unlikely.
De Groot lives in a rarified world where someone would consider this question. Most people never give a thought to which font they are using or whether it's appropriate. Maybe someone just typed the document on a handy computer, on which someone happened to have installed the beta OS.
I'm sure he knows hinting and drop caps far better than I do, but he has no expertise about the likelihood of that happening.
There was such a competitive race to the bottom with graphic design work that I could have seen the Prime Minister's son, daughter or anyone in their network having had that font on their computer.
At the time of this trial, I always had to laugh about the argument and wondered if I could present this reality as a third party to the trial, but then I saw that like every Pakistani Prime Minister is brought down this way and realized it has no bearing on my life whatsoever.
Honestly I have never seen any drama from Pakistan that matched my expectations of due process.
The rebuttals and speculation are mildly entertaining, and the finality of their court garners no respect from me either way.
If the whole case hinged on the font actually existing in the wild in some capacity but the probability that it was on someone's computer at that point in time, yet some obvious to me possibilities were never even brought up, then all I can say is "lol, Pakistan."
Shows a real lack of imagination.
"Actually we used to moonlight on Craigslist and routinely searched for fonts in leaked beta software to differentiate ourselves"
Now I'm being facetious.
But there are a lot of probable ways a font was added, ESPECIALLY for people that aren't good with computers. A toolbar added by a hacker group could have stolen fonts in it.
Any mention of the existence of such a toolbar would have helped them some bit.
If the doc author was a font-nerd, that font would be none other than helvetica.
"What is wrong with Times New Roman?"
"Pah! Are we Romans? Anyway, the prime minister prefers it."
According to my design Professor back in University .. a lot. I never really bothered before, but now I see a lot wrong with it, too. But maybe I just have been brainwashed..
surprised that never came up during the case, but Pakistan drama is fun to watch play out from afar.
such was the case of graphic design in pakistan, and still is.
According to Wikipedia.
Hence my question. Even tho it wasn’t yet part of office could it have been selected if it was installed on the OS?
So even tho you couldn’t get it on windows xp at the time. If you were using a beta version of longhorn with office 2003 you could in theory use the font...
That’s my thinking. I just donno if that would work.
However, couldn't the machine identification code from the printer reveal exactly when the document was printed?
Another example: IMDB has a goof documented for the Bourne Supremacy wherein the fluorescent lamp is humming at 60Hz, instead of the 50Hz appropriate for Goa, India: https://twitter.com/deeaen/status/961369721571627009
And then there is the magical softening of stance overnight and miracle reduction of punishments which Pakistani judges are famous for - absolute joke. I won't be surprised at all if at the end of day, all he gets is a 'warning' and 'stern lecture'.
Finally, PM in question and his family aren't the only corrupt folks in Pakistan - the other 'dynasty' is the PPP-clan of Bhuttos/Zardaris -- now watch them flee scotch-free from Pakistan.
And the icing on cake - UK/UAE/Swiss are among nations which actively harbor corrupt and dangerous Pakistani individuals, have granted them/their families citizenship, and allow them to bring their illegal wealth - these Govts will not send the wealth or the individuals back to Pakistan. Perhaps Pakistani ISI should learn from Israel's Mossad.
It is better to take a tennis ball, declare it the next PM+Emperor-for-life of Pakistan then anybody from the Bhutto party PPP.
I call her brave because she knew she would likely be killed if she returned.
That reason usually boils down to 'because that's what it looked with typewriters before we switched to desktop publishing'.
In the US Courier stuck, in other countries it was Times New Roman with bad default choices for leading, font size, and line width. Legal and government typography for Latin alphabet based scripts seems to mostly be substandard everywhere.
So I like a fair trial for everyone, no matter the power/money.
His daughter, who faked the document, 7 years in jail.
Millions in fines.
Apartments in question to be returned to government.
Hussain Lawai - Zardari's personal banker. There can't be anybody with more dirt on "the Beast" than him.
Given the channel is pro PTI, half of it is about Imran's people rawing hard on the streets.
Your constitution has a clause that only a Muslim and a pious one at that can be president or PM. Nawaz Sharif was dismissed because he was not considered a pious Muslim. Imran Khan is a Military stooge who led the charge against him.
In last 5 years, Pakistan saw, well, nothing less than an explosion in privately owned press and TV channels.
I think people are too quick to judge other countries through their lens.
This is as true for some of us Pakistanis judging to the west through our cultural lens.
Am I? Well, media curbs were then and now, but have you noticed a very apparent change in tone?
Yes, there were already quite a few private medias by late Musharaf, but back then news section was nearly the same all across them. Aside from the usual aha, aha, nod, nod, in news coverage of the junta, they just varied in kinds of entertainment content.
But once Mush was gone, it was only then for the first time in decades that news became somewhat resembling what they are supposed to be.
Thanks for understanding.