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One Woman Who Knew Her Rights Forced Border Patrol Off a Greyhound Bus (aclu.org)
61 points by deegles 6 months ago | hide | past | web | favorite | 13 comments



> teaches us that sometimes knowing one’s rights and speaking out with confidence delivers truth to abusive power

One thing I worry in this kind of situation is that you think you know your right, but you are wrong, either because the laws changed since the last time you've studied them, because there is some precedent, or simply because there are lots of fine details.

One lawyer made an interesting point: you need to clarify if the law enforcer "wants" as opposed to "demands/orders", and that you should always comply with orders.


>and that you should always comply with orders.

IANAL, but that seems to set a dangerous precedent to our rights as Americans, especially if they're just asking for ID and you absolutely haven't committed any crimes.


“He was jeopardising his traditional rights of freedom and independence by daring to exercise them.” — Joseph Heller, Catch-22


I feel really unsure about what exactly is and is not allowed by the Fourth Amendment, especially in this technological age we find ourselves. Is there some honest information out there?


I wonder if this "Great Lakes" rule has been held up in court. Chicago is definitely more than 100 miles from a border...


This appears to be fake news. Greyhound said no such event occured.


Where did you see that Greyhound said no such event occurred? When searching for it all I see are articles that only cite the Facebook post as proof. There are no videos from any passengers, or statements from Greyhound I can find. If you could post a link it would be greatly appreciated.


"riding a Greyhound bus from Bakersfield, California to Las Vegas, Nevada. As the bus approached an agricultural checkpoint at the Nevada state line,"

This sounds like a hoax. There are no "agricultural checkpoints" for vehicles leaving California.


You failed to read the entire sentence:

> As the bus approached an agricultural checkpoint at the Nevada state line, Ms. Smalls said the driver made an unusual announcement: “We are being boarded by Border Patrol. Please be prepared to show your documentation upon request.”

It was a CBP action at the physical location of an agricultural checkpoint, not an agricultural check on the way out of the state.


It's weird, though, as the agricultural checkpoint is built solely around the California-bound lanes. There is no place to stop on the Nevada-bound lanes: https://www.google.com/maps/place/California+Agricultural+In...


Going into Nevada on 80 there's no ag checkpoint. But returning to CA there is. California has a many $B ag industry to protect. Depending on the current threat they ask about specific things like mud on mountain bikes, fruit, etc.

Never had them ask for ID though. I have seem significant policy activity occasionally, presumably because they were looking for someone in particular.


Presumably, the CBP agents set up on both sides.


I read it just fine; it claimed to "approach" something that doesn't exist. There is nothing on the eastbound side corresponding to any form of "checkpoint". It would be strange (and illegal) to just have a random shoulder operation. Meanwhile, Greyhound has said no such event occurred.

The ACLU article claims no source other than a random Facebook posting.




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