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Tesla shorts take an estimated $2 bil of losses in Elon Musk’s ‘next level burn’ (electrek.co)
15 points by john58 39 days ago | hide | past | web | favorite | 6 comments



It really seems like traditional investing has yet to fully understand how to assess the value of Tesla. A lot of the value seems to be wrapped in from people's hopes/expectations of the future of energy/vehicles. Tesla is more than a car/battery producer, it seems to also be a figurehead for clean energy to a large extent.


Yeah I don’t understand people who short - the downside is functionally unbound. Maybe it’s “investors” and “managers” using other people’s money?

I’m sure my risk/reward bias would be skewed if the downside was “less commission income” rather than “well there goes my retirement”


In general, the higher the variance in outcomes, the higher the expected payout of an investment.

Also, if you have more money you can decrease the variance in your payout by making multiple uncorrelated (1) investments.

That can make investments that are insane for the average citizen look as huge opportunities for the very rich.

For example, consider a game using a fair coin “put in $100k, heads you lose everything, tails we pay out $201k”.

If you have 100k in savings for retirement, you probably wouldn’t want to play that game. People who have $100M, on the other hand, might line up to play it a thousand times, as that game, on average, pays out 0.5% per game played.

I would hope manny of those shorting Tesla must have thought this “game” is similar: high risk, but an expected payout that is better than that of less risky investments.

(1) there’s a risk there, as totally uncorrelated investments do not exist anymore in a global economy.


If the only concern is about unbound potential losses, You can cap your risk by buying far out of the money calls


>Yeah I don’t understand people who short

You know who the biggest short sellers are of Tesla? People hedging their long bets.

That said, the stock is still down ~20% from highs, so I don't understand the hubris of rooting against daily price changes.


Shorts help us find companies like Enron.




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