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Jeff Bezos announces Amazon is picking up 'The Expanse' (engadget.com)
446 points by danso 8 months ago | hide | past | web | favorite | 122 comments

Great news! I'm absolutely loving the third season, despite not really being a fan of the protomolecule concept. I know the series revolves around it. It's a bit like the white walkers in game of thrones. You go from the super interesting political intrigue about socioeconomic imbalances, oppression, imperialism and geopolitical relations in the solar system / Westeros, to fantasy/magic/sci-fi-bs of glowing supernatural creatures. Absolutely hate that personally, but I like both shows nonetheless and the Expanse has something special. Can't wait for new episodes!

I also had mixed feelings about the protomolecule (for the same reason as yours), but in later parts of the books it contributes to the plot in a meaningful way (that is, it's but just a bogeyman). Can't say more without spoiling it :)

The way I see it, politics is about balance of some kind... e.g. if either Earth or Mars had a huge advantage, they would have already won. (Of course it’s possible for things to fall out of balance, e.g. US vs Soviet Union, but that usually happens rather slowly...) The protomolecule is what throws things out of balance, so things become interesting again!

One aspect of the protomolecule that I quite enjoyed was the manner in which Earth, Mars, and the Belt attempt to control and leverage it to assert their dominance or, at least, maintain a balance of power. It speaks to the fact that once "Pandora's Box" is opened, technologically speaking, it becomes a fact-of-life that must be adapted too. Drone technology, for example, is a relatively new form of tech with potential to be used for productive AND destructive purposes, and there are no obvious answers as to how it should be handled.

I agree so much. The first season was amazing with the split story line between the main crew and Miller on Ceres but it all went downhill when the proto-molecule was introduced and suddenly there were massive shootouts (with characters who admitted only episodes earlier to never having killed/fired a gun)

I really love the political aspects and cultural differences between the various factions though.

> I really love the political aspects and cultural differences between the various factions though.

Same here, I was quite annoyed when the books veered away from the excellent political stuff into the silly alien monster stuff.

If anyone is looking for a book series that doesn't veer away, I'd recommend John Scalzi's Collapsing Empire. If anyone knows any others please suggest!

Isn't announcing you've never fired a gun in a fictional work an example of Chekov's Gun? By announcing it the narrative is setting up the "dramatic tension" ahead of when the character is confronted by a situation potentially requiring firing a gun or killing someone.

That's kind of ironic. Although macgyver said he hated guns and managed to never fire them

Didn’t he build a shit ton of bombs to “solve” various problems though?

I never said he was a pacifist, he just doesn't fire guns

I've read the books but I haven't seen this season of the show. In the books they kind of alternate with one book being more about the protomolecule and the next being more about politics.

It might make you happy to know that I found the the later books too concerned with politics and not enough about the mystery of the protomolecule.

I found the whole concept a lot easier to swallow in the context of a TV show than in the context of the books. I suppose it's because they didn't really try to explain it in the show as much?

The thing that made me really enjoy The Expanse is how they're constantly thinking about the physics of light speed, inertia, and acceleration, and tying that back into the plot. It makes everything feel so much more real, even if they don't always get it perfect. One example is how the ships always flip and burn retrograde during approaches to their destination; compare that to most any other modern sci-fi, where ships just "magically" stop with "technology".

There's also so many awesome details. How the crew still wears uniforms with "Tachi" logo. How Alex consistently wears MCRN uniform and Naomi doesn't. How different Mars and Earth ships look inside. How they actually think about debris, richochets and loss of gravity in case of combat. So much drama is driven by physical constraints that are just waved away in other shows and that makes is awesome to watch.

Must be nice. When you like a TV series, but it gets canceled, to be able to buy the whole thing.

haha, exactly what I thought.

Although he is doing us all a favor. I stopped watching season 3 although I loved the series, because I saw that it was cancelled and didn't want to leave on a cliffhanger. Now ill get back at it.

FWIW, in the wake of the news about cancellation, the producers said that S3 won't be ending with a huge cliffhanger.

Anyway, I'm extremely happy to see The Expanse saved.

They’ve been pretty good about not ending a season on a cliffhanger. That’s one of the many things I’ve enjoyed about the show.

And you could still read the books :)

Do we know Bezos likes the show? The headline is strange, there is zero mention in the article that he had any actual input into the decision.

Bezos is known to be a fan of the franchise. The text of the first book was actually shown in one of his Kindle demos some years back. There has been a consensus within The Expanse community for a couple weeks now that Bezos was personally invested in getting the show renewed and was working to make it happen.

Thanks to both for the answers. Who said billions can’t make you happy? :)


> Amazon Studios had streaming rights to the first three seasons of the show. Sources say Bezos is a big fan of the book and was livid that the TV series went to NBCUniversal-owned Syfy. The move is said to have ignited Bezos' demand that Amazon Studios brass find the company's version of Game of Thrones.

He's already throwing a billion dollars a year at Blue Origin. This is a cheap way to market and promote space exploration.

Didn’t buy it, but got the US first broadcast rights. I think.

But did throw enough money at the production company to keep it in production :-D

Excellent news. If any show deserves to survive it's Expanse. Today with SpaceX pushing us towards Mars it feels like we're living in pre-history of Expanse which is based on the most realistic SciFi I've seen yet. We need this.

Sounds like you’ve not seen StarCops:


30 years old so a tad dated, but a solid story.

I love the off kilter future tech of making audio recordings on minature CDs

Actually this is a better fuller link, for the time being:


> based on the most realistic SciFi I've seen yet

Big fan of the series but hard sci-fi it is definitely not! True, the humans don't break the laws of physics, but Eros certainly does, and if season 3 tracks the books then that gets turned up to 11...

Well, there must be some fiction in sci-fi as well :). A small amount of magic is usually allowed. If you ignore the protomolecule, the rest is quite hard.

Not the gravity assist slingshot trajectory.

That was acknowledged by the showrunner and was down to poor planning between shooting and CGI work: http://www.danielabraham.com/2017/04/04/guest-post-losing-sc...

There has been a shot with a screen showing the Nauvoo's trajectory to Eros which was quite ridiculous too, though.

Interesting, thanks for the link.

I know it seems dumb but the preposterousness of that scene ruined the episode for me. I've played too much KSP :D

That part was the biggest break in suspended disbelief for me. I get the protomolecule - that's basically magic - but the grav assist? Yeah, no, the Roci just zipped around Jupiter's orbits like they had some Star Trek sublight drive.

Well ... laws of physics are being broken by their ships. They use fusion drives (which don't quite exist yet), and in S1, transit between Ceres and Eros on a passenger ship doesn't require weeks/months. Transit from earth to Jupiter/Saturn systems are achievable in days.

Many assumptions are built into this.

First, that fusion drives don't need much reaction mass. This is part of the F =(d/dt) (m*v) needed for rocket thrust. The mass you throw away at high velocity (dm/dt) has to be sufficient for you to be able to accelerate a several million kg ship to 1-10g.

Second, and related to the first, they are not using energy efficient Hohmann transfer orbits. They are using fast transit orbits to get between sites. Which means that their engines are continuously operating, first accelerating away from the initial site, finally decelerating towards their destination site. You still want to orbitally match on the destination, so your delta V isn't measured in km/s orthogonal to the destination.

Third, a fusion reactor will be massive, if for no other reason, due to the shielding you need for the hard x-rays/gammas coming off. Massive in this case doesn't mean large, rather having lots of high Z mass (lead and other heavy nuclei elements that have a very high cross section to Xray/gammas). You likely will need several 10s of cm of such material. Which means you have to accelerate lots of "inert" mass as well as your reaction mass, as well as your ship.

I don't expect shows/movies to get all the physics/science right. I do expect them to at least make an effort to hint at why we should suspend our disbelief in this. There was a single episode with a side arc on the ships engines. They let that arc go unfinished, which is a shame, as that was potentially very interesting. The protagonist in that arc is assumed to be dead, though somehow, he narrated his experience. The arc was about drive efficiency, and by extension, specific impulse/thrust.

The other slight physical violation is in the instantaneous communication of the protomolecule infected individuals. Maybe they have their own EPR pairs they interact with to ensure instantaneous comms. But its rather hard to exceed C for information transmission as far as we know right now.

So ... yeah ... there are some violations that bug me.

[edit] fixed spelling errors

> Well ... laws of physics are being broken by their ships. They use fusion drives (which don't quite exist yet),

Engines not existing yet doesn't break any laws of physics, except possibly those governing material science. The main obstacle for the engines would be to find a material that survives the temperatures involved. The reaction part is pretty accurate, except perhaps that it goes way closer to the theoretical optimums than what our current technology in the area can achieve.

> and in S1, transit between Ceres and Eros on a passenger ship doesn't require weeks/months. Transit from earth to Jupiter/Saturn systems are achievable in days.

No, it really isn't, even if the show gloss over the travel times (because it doesn't make good TV). It is very, very clear in the books that the distances involved take weeks, months or even years to travel.

As for the protomolecule, that one DO break the laws of physics as we know them. But there will be more of that shortly.

> As for the protomolecule, that one DO break the laws of physics as we know them

DOES. But yes this is what I meant, the protomolecule (aka Eros aka Julie) plays all sorts of games with momentum, mass, velocity, all sorts of things. Remote-fusion-damping, later. I'm fine with it. Science fiction after all.

>Today with SpaceX pushing us towards Mars

Only if you believe marketing bullshit.

I believe.

So far, Musk has done everything he's promised: decent electric roadster, electric luxury, SUV and mid-priced cars, powerwalls and roof panels, re-usable light and heavy launchers for obscenely low prices and turnaround times, tunnels under LA. This stuff is all real and working. You can quibble about schedule slips or whatever, but none of this is vapor. In fact there's already an F9H payload overshooting Mars orbit.

So where's the bullshit?

My favorite part - beyond watching SpaceX embarrassing the critics over and over and over again, with reusable rockets, bringing down launch costs by 80-95%, out-launching the rest of the world, and just surviving in general - is that if you can do Falcon Heavy, you can do BFR, which gets you Mars. The engineering keeps proving itself, no need to buy any marketing spin. The only debate left is whether it's going to be closer to 10 years from now or 20.

>with reusable rockets, bringing down launch costs by 80-95%

Nice joke.

SpaceX is supposedly selling F9 flights for $50 million already, while the competition is selling comparable flights for $150/$170 million.

As SpaceX is still recouping the technology research investment, 95% may be a stretch, but 80% reduction is not that far of really, it will probably be very close to that if they are able to reuse fairing.

The competition is only selling at $150-$170M today because SpaceX pushed them into it. 10 years ago, F9-class payloads would've cost $400-500M (on Western launchers; Russia and China were always cheaper). Those prices had been pretty stable for decades; the key thing which has changed since then is the presence of a real competitor.

So 80%-90% has already happened.

Would you explain your extreme position instead of making snide comments? We're all here to learn. Educate us.

Let's begin by seeing that SpaceX increased it's launch cost by 50% for 2020 to $228 million while Orbital ATK is launching for $223 million, meanwhile actually being a profitable company. [1]

SpaceX blames this on NASA. So Orbital ATK didn't have that problem because, reasons?[1]

Unbiased sources on launch costs are really hard to find.

And about the Mars thing, it's not going to happen. SpaceX works for contract work, not for dreams. Nobody's going to pay for that. Why not the moon first anyway? Almost just as cool and way more practical.

I haven't seen any practical unpartial sources for savings from reusable rocket stages.

I expected the hackernews community to be more skeptical.


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While I'm always happy to see good scifi being promoted and well-funded, as a huge fan of the books.. I could not get into the TV series at all. It feels like 90% of it is missing, and what remains just doesn't convince. I heard it has quite a decent budget but whatever it was, it wasn't even close to enough.

It's quite possible that this kind of expansive (sorry) space opera can never be fully realised on a small screen, or on any screen. The limitation of the format are just too restrictive. Kudos to them for trying but for any fans - take my word for it and read the books. You won't regret it.

I'll second the books, but I do like the show as well. I agree that the full story most is probably impossible to translate into TV/movie format. Nevertheless, I'm happy with the compromises they've made to make it fit. I particularly like the VFX work, because it tries its hardest to obey the laws of physics even in smallest of details.

(A particularly memorable scene for me was the initial launch of the Nauvoo. During the sequence, ship's engine exhaust was shown to heat up structural elements of the scaffolding it was leaving far in the background, and also it destroyed a small drone that got too close. Neither of those things were important to the scene or even immediately noticeable for the viewer.)

The screens are restricted to showing protagonists doing, experiencing and talking, whereas books can ramble on forever about background.

Screen adaptations of background-rich books have three choices: simplify away the background, add new scenes engineered to convey background via protagonists, skip the background and let the viewer sink or swim on their own.

Readers who later watch an adaption are rarely happy with either option, but "simplify" is the worst. People new to the material rarely even notice "simplify", but fall into two very polarized camps for "engineer" and "skip". Just ask them about miniseries vs. Lynch Dune.

Personally, I love the feeling of only scratching the surface of a much deeper world, and I hate having everything spelled out in detail. As for The Expanse (TV only), I could have binged through ten seasons of life, death and intrigue in an industrialized collar system, could protomolecule ruined that, cancellation or not - guess I should read the first book for more of the good parts)

I enjoyed both the Lynch film and the books. Though I saw the film first...

I thought the film captured the religious elements and emotional content of the book quite well. It obviously felt a lot out of course.

He’s referring to the German-Czech produced miniseries, not the book.

I believe that you are in the minority. Judging by the amount of activity by book readers on Reddit, the show has been faithful enough. I've read the first 5 books and I felt that the show has been great so far.

I wouldn't judge by the activity on Reddit. Not liking the Expanse there only leads to downvotes. I'm pretty sure there are many who won't criticize it just like there is a group who just jumped on the hype train you can't miss.

My one gripe is that they gutted the Avarasala character completely - she is one of my favourite book characters ever but in the show she is so watered down.

Isn’t this the case with all book -> tv/movie adaptations, you lose 90% of it? No surprise really.

No, it’s not always the case. I like more the Lord of the rings movies than the books. And game of thrones is a great adaptation although it’s probably the only case that I know in which the tv serie is ahead of the books.

Yeah, same here. Having read the books, I was pretty frustrated at some points at how much some things were simplified for the TV viewers.

It's still the best recent scifi series on Netflix, though.

I would trade 10 new seasons of The Expanse for a couple of more episodes of Firefly. Just saying.

I love Firefly more than anything on TV, but continuing Firefly is just not an option anymore. Maybe a reboot, but it's not easy to capture that same magic. You might as well make a new SciFi show, and The Expanse is just that.

I have to agree so much.

I think the memories of what made Firefly so special ignore the reality that it's been 16 years.

Nathan Filion will be 50 in 3 years, he can no longer physically pull off the young uppity captain with a grudge against the system. The same goes for all the other actors - they've all grown up and matured since then.

So to account for that, time would've had to pass. I find I find it difficult to believe that the crew of Serenity would've been able to stick together for more than another year, two at the outside.

In the movie we'd already had Book and Inara leave, and given the events in the movie I can't see Zoe wanting to stick around much longer, despite her loyalty to Mal.

Given the wanted status of most of the rest of the crew, paying work would continue to be hard to find, and the ship was already running on fumes as it was. Any failures of any critical components would quickly see the ship grounded, and then Jayne would be gone if he hadn't already bailed.

Kaylee and Simon might have made it work for a while, but Simon was always too focused on his sister's well-being to the exclusion of everything else. With the government apparently no longer after River, he might have reached out to the rich father to return home.

It would be cool to see another series in the same universe, but the dynamics of the crew were a big part of the show.

right, so they split up for 16 years, and then circumstances unforeseen bring them together again for one last stand. I don't see a problem here!

It's certainly not impossible. Star Trek also got revived after a similar time. But Star Trek got a few seasons already, and there's no big story that got interrupted. Firefly got its big story interrupted. I suppose seeing how it turned out 16 years later could be interesting, though.

Star Trek also got rebooted w/ all new cast that remarkably resembles the original cast... They could try something like that, but it'd be a HUGE gamble - casting would have to be perfect.

As someone who always wished for more X-Files until season 10 and 11 were released: Be careful what you wish for.

That ship has sailed, no? Good luck getting the cast and writers together after all this time.

Dark Matter was a bit more of my cup of coffee than The Expanse. Like in Firefly it is a small rebel crew on a ship exploring the universe.

Still glad the Expanse was picked up.

Man. I really wish Netflix or someone would pick Dark Matter back up. Loved that show.

I watched it, but wasn’t particularly shocked or bothered when it wasn’t renewed.

It felt like just another mediocre predictable action/adventure show, but in space.

How about bribing Firefly to Expanse universe? Having two stories running on one serie and then sometimes they would meet each other.

Did Firefly had a logical end at the and of its single season? Is it worth watching?

I found it to be the most overrated show of all time. It is incredibly average. I am not a fan of Joss Whedon's work so your mileage may vary.

Agreed. Firefly has been superseded by the shows it inspired with its setting. Not to mention that Cowboy Bebop was superior, anyway.

The movie, Serenity wraps it all up, so it's worth watching the series.

So series + the movie afterwards?

You’ll be sad that it ends, but you’ll have closure.

I loved loved loved Firefly but Serenity killed that franchise for me. A dismally bad film.

I actually liked serenity.. River's character especially, she's a badass. Didn't like them killing off characters left/right, but did help with closure a bit.

Everyone in it did what was cool in the moment but not what any of their characters had ever done in the series. When Jayne started playing the guitar I realised: this is bullshit

Part of the appeal of Firefly too was that no one was anyone special - just a bunch of random folks who do their best in weird situations. Now they’re all superheroes...

It's a shame they never made a firefly film

This is amazing news. When Syfy cancelled StarGate Universe, I stopped watching their shows.

Dark matter came out and I got into that and quelle surprise. It gets cancelled to.

Sigh, then started watching Expanse and loving it. Gets cancelled.

This is me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKgPY1adc0A

Suffice to say, I'm ditching Syfy for good now. I hope Netflix or Amazon just buys them out at this point. Nothing of value would have been lost. Except for the time viewers put into watching their shows!

This is great news. I thoroughly enjoy The Expanse.

That the internet has given fans the power to affect studio decisions is quite a useful feature.

I wonder how much Amazon made on season 3 sales already? Is SyFy going to even survive? A lot of great science fiction shows come to mind; none of them on SyFy..

I'm sorta happy they picked it up and not Netflix; I find the quality of Amazon's streams to be higher on average. Netflix squeezes the bitrate too much even on their flagship titles like Altered Carbon resulting in banding an artifacting in dark scenes. Space is pretty dark.

By contrast, Netflix’s 4K HDR of Altered Carbon (on TV with full array local dimming) was the highest quality stream I’ve seen. Some of Amazon’s Electric Dreams episodes come close. When I compare the same 4K Dolby Vision or HDR show between Amazon and Netflix played on the TV itself, I’d argue Netflix often has the edge.

But the show being in HDR or DV, using extra bits for shadows, and kicking in the TV’s HDR blacks, makes more difference to banding than the distribution.

Not coincidentally, anticipating Altered Carbon and this winter’s updates for Dolby Vision across the industry prompted my TV upgrade. Having been in the streaming video business from 1998, it felt like a milestone to have a TV quality purchase driven by an online show.

> on TV with full array local dimming

OLED would add even larger jump.

Really great news. Show was visually great, good tight story, just enough background the characters.

I bought the seasons wholesale on Google Play so I could watch conveniently. I wonder if I will need to temporarily get Amazon Prime.

So outside of the US Expanse is on Netflix. Does this mean it’s going to move to Amazon prime at some point?

I assume the third series will get to Netflix eventually. Will the fourth onwards not?

Looks like Netflix decided "Lost in space" would be their Sci Fi genre champion and that's it. It's likely with Amazon that Netflix would lose the previous seasons too as SciFy had some rights issue with non-cable/streaming/digital distribution and Amazon is likely to take these rights up.

It's actually been reported that Netflix is significantly ramping up their production of sci-fi television shows [1]. 29% of their upcoming shows fall into the sci-fi category. Here's a quote from that article with some more context.

Responding to new data that shows science fiction and related programming powered the biggest viewer share of its genre content in the first quarter of 2018, Netflix is getting ready to aim even more of its seemingly limitless resources toward outer space, committing more money to more new sci-fi projects in a bid to give its still-expanding subscriber base more of what they already love.

[1] - http://www.syfy.com/syfywire/report-netflix-is-about-to-make...

I hope so. I subscribe to Prime but not Netflix and would like to watch the whole thing.

The fact that I already qualify for Syfy through my Sky package rubs salt in the wound somewhat. Same goes for me getting all UK CBS channels but no new Star Trek.

Me to I have US friends who recommended the expanse but its not on the UK prime

I was really hoping Netflix would pick up The Expanse completely, so I wouldn't be seeing it half a year late.

I'm glad it's saved. Not too excited about it being Amazon, but I might actually switch to Amazon for The Expanse.

I started watching this last week and thought it looked great, but the audibility of the dialogue was absolutely appalling, I was missing half the conversation if I didn't have volume uncomfortably loud, it really spoilt it. How can you spend so much money on a production and make such a basic error?

This type of complaint nearly always means you're listening to a surround track on a stereo system, without proper "downmixing". This means you're missing the center channel, and instead only hear the front left and front right channels. In surround sound, dialogue mostly goes to the center channel. If you didn't get the video from a good source, the problem could be baked into the video itself.

I have had this problem with multiple commercial streaming sites on two different TVs from two different manufacturers. I’m a little dismayed they haven’t worked this out yet. Not everyone wants to string speakers. “Left” and “right” don’t mean much in some rooms.

In that case you need an AVR that will remix it properly.

Some of the recordings of the first few episodes are known to be bad. It depends on where you watch it (SyFy, Amazon, Netflix, Torrent), and if you watch it with 2 channels or 5/7.

Anecdotically, I've found the Torrented (from SyFy or canadian TV?) and Netflix versions in Stereo to be OK.

Season 1 did have notable audio issues. I found myself having to rewind to understand what was said, and even then it felt like guesswork. I love the show, but do agree with this criticism. Thankfully they straightened it out in later seasons, to the point that I had forgotten about it until I read your comment!

Indeed. I was extremely glad for subtitles for the first few episodes.

That is good news. I was planning on cancelling my Prime membership at the end of this yearly subscription. But the Expanse officially justifies it.

Glad to hear this. Wish this had been an option for Stargate Universe as well. SyFy seems determined to cancel every gem they get their hands on. Even Star Trek had a [substantial] 'gestation period.'

I wished there was SciFi without this magic stuff (I’m talking about the protomolecule). Because other than that I loved the show because I had the feeling it was a realistic view of our potential future.

In all honesty, this is an outlook I've heard a lot and never really understood.

In any society, there is old science, modern science, cutting-edge science and then theory. To depict a realistic society of the future, the Expanse must have all of these things, and it does:

People drink coffee and read books and talk to each other on devices that are essentially thinner smartphones. That's their old science.

They travel through space using the Epstein drive and communicate with other planets. That's their modern science. (It's worth noting, by the way, that the Epstein drive itself is impossible by modern scientific understanding; it's actually the "magic" of the show well before the protomolecule is at all explained.)

They encounter ships that can't be tracked doing human experiments of questionable morality in order to produce super-soldiers. That's the cutting edge science.

And, finally, they come face-to-face with something they don't totally understand or know how to interact with, something beyond even what they fully believe to be possible. That's the theoretical part.

Missing any one of these parts, the Expanse wouldn't be as realistic, to me, because the bigger point is that no matter how far we've come, there is always something we don't yet understand. Limiting ourselves in the fiction we create to what we consider "realistic" on the grounds of what we, right now, consider to be absolutely within the realm of understood science is as silly now as it was two hundred years ago (and try explaining how the Internet is a real thing to people from that time, and imagine how patiently they'd explain to you that a network of mathematical rocks communicating via trapped lightening is impossible).

Is the "it can do ANYTHING" nature of the protomolecule sometimes a little rope-pull-ish? Yes. But it doesn't matter, to me, because the way everything else in the show responds to that magic is the realistic part. People try to understand it, or weaponize it, or profit off it, or some combination of all three. The storytelling around the magic is what makes the show realistic, to me, not the other way around. Given all that, why is the idea of glowing blue space alien rock any harder to stomach than hyperefficient fusion drives?

TIL: alien life forms = magic.

No. Magic = not possible with our current understanding of physics

It doesn't seem possible to read this without giving them permission to track and monitor me so no thank you

The is brilliant news!

The Expanse is the best old-school SciFi show on air now.

Bezos: "I am that guy"

Great, looking forward!

Good choice!


Engadget's GDPR consent to track seems really odd. They say they need to track you to provide service. If you don't click OK, and select "Manage Options" you eventually get to select the ad providers you let them share data with. You leave none selected, click through "Done" and you get the actual content page. Yet ublock origin is saying it blocked 14 domains on this page. So, are they giving me an option, and then ignoring my selection?

They still serve you Ads, it's just that the Ads won't be personalised for you.

Be aware that there are two lists in the partners page. You could easily miss it since the other is behind a greyed-out tab called "Other partners" or something like it, which contains another 100 partners or so, in addition to the 200-300 main partners Verizon will share your data with by default, unless you opt-out (illegal under GDPR).

Verizon-owned sites that use this policy include Engadget, Techcrunch, Aol, and Yahoo.

Some more info here:


Even though it's opt-out, at least they let you use their services when you deselect all of them - although I don't really trust a company such a Verizon to live up to its word and not actually track you, even if you deselect all of those partners.

However, companies like Google, Facebook, and Twitter seem to only give you the "option" to "take it or leave it": either agree to their terms or you'll lose access to the account (also illegal under GDPR). That's also why noyb is filing complaints against them (although they missed Twitter):


I clicked cancel (i asume that is i dont want to) and got straight to the site. 10 domains blocked.

I am not sure if they are in violation, if they track but do not use the data. As I understand it, the manage option is the permission to use the tracked data.

Data collection is also part of the regulations; only collecting the data they need. Tracking data they do not even use seems to me to be a clear violation.

I couldn't/didn't want to pass the privacy popup.

Are we really at the point where if one does't agree to all kinds of nasty ad crap he can't access a webpage..?

Before this you were getting the same nasty ad crap, they just didn't warn you about it.

Not really.

I have an ad blocker--AdGuard, paid but blocks ads in apps as well--so I'd just see the site with no ads. Now I have to be bothered with notices.

But anyway--everyone is different. I only keep viewing websites that provide a good experience to me, if they show popups and similar crap I just go back to Google immediately.

If they care about my visit and visits of people that do the same I do, they'll try to provide a better experience. Otherwise they won't.

It's all fine with me.

The Expanse is a garbage TV series which totally and completely diverges from the novels - for no good reason, since it's a miniseries, with plenty of time to do justice to the books.

It's depressing how many people here either haven't read the books or somehow think this dreck is superior to the books.

Read the 3rd book after season 2. Really recommend it to everyone. It had everything, sci-fi, action, drama, special effects, mystery...

Curious how this will workout on tv, although I will keep reading the books.

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