Not. Even. Three. Years.
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice..
If you go back look at when Facebook actually changed their API to stop the stuff that CA was doing, you'll see similar comments about how it's "killing the developer ecosystem". But ultimately it was a good thing that they closed those loopholes.
This is a terrible move by Twitter. It might be a relatively small number of users, but it's mostly power-users and super-fans, and this needlessly hurts them.
If Twitter wants to make more money from them, just add ads in the third party stream. Don't try to kill third party apps.
I think it's actually that they'd rather show you what they want you to see, rather than what you actually want to see. This includes promoted content.
- "what I missed"
- follow recommendations
- the likes of who I follow - show me their retweets, not their likes
They solved this problem when they bought Tweetie, the most popular 3rd party client at the time when they didn't have a 1st party one. They then removed and replaced it with the current one.
I switched to Tweetbot but still never liked it. I’ve been hoping a nicer client would come along.
The reason I used Twitter as much as I did was that it’s client made it super convenient while working to just open with a keyboard shortcut for a couple seconds, poke around and then hide again and get back to work.
Forcing me to the website means I have to actually think about using Twitter; I have to interrupt what I am doing, rather than being a reflex. It means they’re killing most of the other 20% of my usage.
I really think they’re throwing the baby out with the bath water here.
Before it was always at a reserved spot on my 2nd screen.
I kinda miss it - but not enough to open a tab in my browser and log in.
When I'm reading my Twitter timeline in Twitterific, I'm not seeing ads. Which is probably why twitter wants me to use their website.
But why don't they just require third-party apps to show paid tweets? IIRC it's not even possible currently, because ads don't show up in their API output.
It seems insane to stymie the universe of alternative CLIENTS when what you contrl is the MESSAGES.
Feels like they are shooting themselves in the foot considering how many of their longest influential users are on Tweetbot and Twitteriffic, not to mention ingrateful considering how important Twitteriffic in particular was to many of the Twitter norms early on.
Also lame considering what hot garbage the native official desktop app is in comparison, all of this just makes me truly likely to seek alternatives if third party apps must go away, maybe micro.blog
If Twitter is actually charging $13.56/mth per account, I guess that explains why they never did a consumer subscription. I've always wanted to pay for Twitter, but that's more than Netflix, more than Dropbox, more than Spotify.
Unless I have drastically misread that image, which is entirely possible. I'm not clear on what is included in one "subscription".
"It’s looking like it won’t be financially possible for us to afford the new account activity API from twitter."
"Many of you have done the math and seen it would be about $12/user/month for notifications - but don’t forget that in order to do a subscription we’d have to cover Apple’s 30% overhead and make enough for us to pay for food and shelter. So, uh… yeah."
"This isn’t a “wow that’s kind of expensive” situation. This is “deathblow expensive” situation."
I sincerely believe they don't even have a good understanding on how and why their platform really works for people.
The trend of shutting down clients and api has been going on for years now. This is ridiculous.
- Require third party apps to install an impression tracking SDK
- Return URLs in API responses to media hosted on Twitter's servers and do tracking server side
I mean, that's a single full-time employee (or less). If there are 2000 third-party clients and the goal is to spot-check them once per month, this hypothetical full-time employee would need to check 80 of them per day. That's one spot check every six minutes for eight hours a day if they work 25 days a month.
Not exactly the most exciting work, but easily doable. And that doesn't need to exactly be a highly paid employee either. I believe the big social media companies offshore a lot of that grunt work to other countries.
So we're talking what, thirty or forty grand a year for Twitter to implement that?
These days, I browse HN, proggit, Twitter, Reddit and Metafilter regularly. If Twitter really does nerf their APIs, I'll have to stop visiting it because principles, and it will take 20% of my current Web universe with it.
Not sure if my other hotspots will take its place, or if I'll finally start turning away from the Web.
Maybe I just don't find the right people. On Twitter, I can look up people I'm interested in. Like "That company is doing something cool, let's follow the CEO on Twitter". But on Mastodon?
Is there anybody 'normal' on there who posts substantial stuff?
Most likely don't want to leave for other networks because what they have works for them. An alternative to the mainstream doesn't appeal to people who don't reject the mainstream, and another social network alongside what they have might seem redundant.
But if you think people are divided up into “normal” and “not normal” (and your definition of normal is “some CEO”) then yeah, maybe Mastodon isn’t right for you.
full of vintage computer experts, BBS operators,
people working to revitalize Gopher
I think what you're trying to say is "the aforementioned social network doesn't have people who share the same interests as me" rather than it being full of people who are mentally unwell.
As another poster put it "An alternative to the mainstream doesn't appeal to people who don't reject the mainstream".
One of the founders wrote about it yesterday https://medium.com/assembly-four/my-six-week-rollercoaster-r...
Clients for iOS and Android are being built by indie developers - icro for iOS is great and there's also Dialog for Android now.
> SPIDR is an AI-powered news aggregator that uses textual analysis to group similar news together
> The aim is to provide fast access to relevant news from different viewpoints
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By now they should have a massive developer ecosystem but these arbitrary measures
Lead to no developer wanting to build on Twitter.
(That said, the TweetDeck web app is not bad, and can be accessed by anyone at tweetdeck.twitter.com.)
Sad that apps like Tweetbot wont have the full features
Gald that Twitter is addressing my problems with wasting so much time on Tweetbot!
I'm not sure, but Twitter will be losing a huge user base that is very influential and add a good chunk of value to the platform, that can afford to pay, like even $10 - $20 a month for these 3rd party apps. Not sure why Twitter cannot come up with a paid subscription model through third party apps for power users.
If I write an app for myself, I'm pretty sure it's legal.
If I sell my app, I would think it's still legal. It's similar to an ad blocker. It sits on the users computer and formats the page the user wants it formatted.
Am I missing something?
That wouldn't be a worthwhile effort, as it woulnd't give you any of the features the API deprecation is taking away (notifications, streaming vs polling, & a few others). You could just use the new API and live without those things more easily than trying to maintain a web-scraping setup.
The issue is that there are not comparable solutions. The streaming API allows a user to connection directly. With the webhook solution it has to all go via 3rd party server, and you need to pay for it.
You could certainly build a barebones scraper in a very minimal amount of time, and that would probably work forever.
The amount of work required to go from "bare bones" to "actually pretty nice" ala Tweetbot is not a trivial amount of work though.