Surface RT: introduced: 2012; Discontinued: 2013; Windows support ends 2023 (11 years)
Kinect: introduced 2010; discontinued: 2015 for windows; 2017 for xbox; still supported (no date announced AFAICT)
Windows phone: introduced: 2010; last release 2015; windows phone os support ended 2017 (7 years)
Band: introduced 2014; discontinued 2016; still supported (no date announced AFAICT)
They gave up on band and RT pretty quickly... but they still supported those users.. a 2012 laptop will probably be dead by the time Windows RT support ends.
Just for comparison.. google is only 20 years old. Android is only 10 years old. Which products of Google's are you thinking of that failed and were supported for a decade? When Google Reader died, users got 3 1/2 months warning. Which Microsoft product got 3 1/2 months warning before ending support?
I understand why google has their support policy, and I'm not passing judgement here... but microsoft definitely supports their products longer, and that has a real cost to microsoft, and they deserve some credit for that.
Is Lumia 950 still supported? On the paper, yes. But there are no new features, only security updates. When we bought Microsoft ecosystem hardware, software-wise they had a long way to go until they caught up with Android and iOS, but we saw the potential, they were releasing new features to catch up with the rest of the competition. When updates stopped after just 1.5 years, we ended up with half baked products.
I am not even mentioning the investment I did as a developer to develop Windows Mobile apps.
Sorry but I am not giving any credits to Microsoft. They tried to make money on short term, and when they couldn't, they abandoned users.
I can give credits to the Microsoft engineers though, they created a great operating system and a great SDK which works on all screen sizes, with different hardware and with any input type. And you can develop an application using both native technologies or the first class citizen web technologies.
And from law point of view, Microsoft of course did not break any laws by not updating the phones. But when announcing Windows 10 Mobile phones, emphasising that the phones now have the same operating system as desktop counterparts and hence they will get the same updates, and not delivering this feature, is worth to be upset about.
"After only forty-eight days on the market, Microsoft discontinued the Kin line on June 30, 2010"
"In January 2011, Microsoft shut down the kin.com website, which controlled most of the earlier phones' features..."
The Kin actually had some pretty innovative for the time cloud features as well.
Disingenuous. 1 Year, not 11. It may be receiving some critical security patching but the RT is absolutely an unsupported, forgotten, isolated and largely unusable piece of hardware, and has been for several years now.
It's not even as good a situation as you have with things like the google play or apple stores, as the architecture restricted the ecosystem.
Example: There are pretty much no browser options on Surface RT other than an obsoleted IE. Certainly no Chrome or Firefox. Even 'supported for five minutes' cheapie android tablets are better than that, and this thing was shipped by Microsoft?
The last SDK release for Windows was SDK 2.0 in 2014, whose page now says:
> Manufacturing of the Kinect sensor and adapter has been discontinued, but the Kinect technology continues to live on in products like the HoloLens, Cortana voice assistant, the Windows Hello biometric facial ID system, and a context-aware user interface.
> Microsoft is working with Intel to provide an option for developers looking to transition from the Kinect for Windows platform. Microsoft will continue to provide support for the Kinect for Windows SDK via our online forums, premiere and paid technical support. As developers transition from Kinect hardware, Microsoft encourages developers to look into Intel's RealSense depth cameras.
For those who find this comment later via Google, there are libraries that support both Microsoft and Intel depth cameras: https://github.com/jing-interactive/Cinder-DepthSensor
As noted later in this comment thread, there now exists Project Kinect for Azure: https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/campaigns/kinect/ To me, this sounds like Microsoft using the Kinect and Azure IOT brands to provide their own SDK/hardware for Intel RealSense cameras, but it's unclear what the tech. is under the hood. It's certainly not compatible with older Kinect sensors and the old SDKs.
"Support" here doesn't mean much if there are no new features, nobody driving an ecosystem making applications.
It's like the slow death of Blackberry 10 and the Palm Pre.
Kinect is not dead, it still works on xbox/windows and they released a new enterprise offering just this past month.
Let's not forget the original Surface.
Windows RT — were there any users to miss it? I loved Windows Phone, but I was surprised Microsoft didn't kill it sooner.
MS genuinely seems to be trying hard to scratch the itches of people in the workplace and more importantly sticking with it while Apple couldn't even commit correctly to a screenless pro desktop.
So many people in the Apple circles made fun of the Surface line, but look at Apple now the iPad Pro with it's keyboard and pen is a direct response and attempt to imitate that niche MS worked hard to carve.
Definitely got my eyes on Surface line with how bad my experience with the USB-C MBP has been, 6 months in both my command key and return key are screwed.
What gives you the idea they'd just kill something like the Jamboard?
Sure, e.g. Nexus Q never got a general release after the I/O preview model under that branding... But instead of “Nexus Q 2” we got “Chromecast” and “Nexus Player” and...
If we get really lucky we might even see 4:3 displays again some day in the future.
16:9 flipped the other way, like a smartphone, offers a lot of vertical space and almost no horizontal space. You basically can't have two apps next to each other because there isn't enough horizontal space.
Basically, I want to have two things open next to each other on my screen. I can do this on 16:9 screens with a high enough resolution, but 3:2 or 4:3 with the same width offers me more height. Which I want. Less scrolling.
I'm sure there are people that prefer 16:9 though. At the end of the day it's personal preference.
I hope this rambling makes sense.
16:9 is the most common resolution of DVD/Blu-Ray and other movie formats. It's great for movies, and the people that hate letter-boxing black bars and mostly don't understand aspect ratios are always going to prefer 16:9.
(Though ironically movies have plenty of non-16:9 widescreen content these days, so the complaints of letter-boxing by the people that hate letter-boxing and don't understand aspect ratios have started back up.)
It's not a great reason to prefer to 16:9, but "doesn't have black bars when I watch Netflix videos" is a surprisingly common request.
One of my favorite things about my iPads 4:3 screen is watching 4:3 content on it without black bars, so I get it.
It also depends on the size of the display. For a small 11" display I'd love to see a 4:3 (or even 1:1) screen to give me a lot of physical height for reading while keeping the device small.
On a large 17" laptop I might actually be work with a 16:9 screen because the display is already tall enough to offer a lot of room for reading.
Now with 4K (or 8K!) displays it becomes completely credible to replace a white board with one. And the benefits of the shared whiteboard and presence is really solid when working with someone who isn't local.
The software infrastructure investment is immense however. And while I would love to see an open source version of this I doubt such a thing would ever exist. You need a video conferencing component, a drawing/archiving/sharing component, hardware that can accelerate the drawing function to avoid lag, and significant bandwidth to host both video and images being swapped updated in real time.
You can order one from CDW right now. They did initially only open them up to Microsoft Partners with a certain level, but that was many years ago now.
I will say that a Surface Hub is much more useful when used as part of AD/O365. Since Skype for Business is a major selling point and not really useful to the individual. Using it as a glorified e-whiteboard isn't its strongest feature, it is a fantastic meeting/collaboration tool.
And while I get the relabeled Teams stuff as Skype for Business I would assume it is also compatible with Skype for humans :-).
In my home lab I would use it for collaboration with remote folks, brainstorming, video watching, program planning and parts location storing. In my fantasy world I select a component or assembly I need and it shows the layout of the lab with an arrow indicating where that piece is stored, the last time it was known to be there, and perhaps re-order information.
I don't believe it is. Skype and S4B, apart from the common name, have literally nothing in common with each other. Skype for Business is just a rebranded Lync, which is a rebranded Office Communicator.
The new board uses Teams conferencing which IIRC is also incompatible with Skype for Business (it's meant to replace it).
Most employees I talked to about it had already fallen into switching to Android, but there were some near tears about it. The only "official" Microsoft answer about it I got (from multiple people, so it sounded like a "Party line" and thus why it felt "official") was that "Microsoft was just too late to the market".
A lot of slides still had phone-sized devices on them, though admittedly some of that was probably just graphics reuse from previous years. Fluent Design documents all still reference phone-sized and phablet-sized devices (and even Band-sized devices).
I enjoy chasing all the rumors on CShell progress, as that does sound like a key to future mobile support. (The one time I think I got close to a wink/nod sort of thing about it at BUILD was when I responded to that "too late" party line with "Or was it just too early for Windows 10 on mobile? CShell was expected to be developed faster than it has turned out to be, hasn't it?".)
I know a lot of people seem to be enchanted with Surface Phone rumors, especially the recent "Courier" folding/multi-screen concepts we've seen from Patent applications.
Personally, I've been excited about "HoloPhone" rumors, some of which I believe I started accidentally by connecting obvious dots, and just hear come back to me through the telephone process of rumor mills. Alex Kipman of Kinect/HoloLens is rumored to be the owner of whatever the next mobile/handheld computing device project is, so I certainly expect some Mixed Reality/Holograms fun.
Anyway, nothing but rumors and hope, but as someone that's been on the platform forever (my last non-Windows phone/handheld computer was an iPhone 3GS, a million years ago), I want to believe, as crazy as that is getting to sound.
From a privacy standpoint it'd probably be absolute hell, but the build quality of every Surface product I've used has been phenomenal, so if they could translate this to a flagship phone with features they'd run away with a good portion of the market.
The flagship market seems pretty desperate at the moment, with choosing a top-tier phone being a game of choosing what feature you could live without instead of having the features you want.
If phones had Android Runtime and .Net framework they would be Windows and Android phones to most users.
* Surface Hub 2: https://youtu.be/7DbslbKsQSk?t=1m34s
* FF7 Main Theme: https://youtu.be/nPSdaQW97rA?t=58s
That would make a heck of a desktop.
Taking google results for the surface hub 1:
$9,172.99 · Insight
$6,499.99 · www.widgetree.comFree shipping, no tax
$8,999.00 · Mobile AdvanceFree shipping
$10,815.43 · Aztek ComputersFree shipping
Average = 8871
Give them 35% premium for the new one (simple numbers guess based on the fact that the new one will cost somewhat more) = 11976
Multiple by 4
$47904 for a 4x display of Surface Hub 2s.
Doesn't mean I can afford it. :)
"The new Surface Hub 2 is sleeker, more agile and more affordable to fit any workspace or work style."
No info on exactly how much more affordable.
Disclaimer: I work at Microsoft (but not on this).
The image staying still as the screen rotates is gimmicky but being able easily to move and spread content between multiple Surface Hubs could be really useful.
I don't have to ask, and I can't afford it.
Taking google results for the surface hub 1: $9,172.99 · Insight $6,499.99 · www.widgetree.comFree shipping, no tax $8,999.00 · Mobile AdvanceFree shipping $10,815.43 · Aztek ComputersFree shipping
Average = 8871 Give them 35% premium for the new one (simple numbers guess based on the fact that the new one will cost somewhat more) = 11976 Multiple by 4
Privacy? Check. Camera faces you only when your'e using it.
Positioning? Check. Camera is closer to other person's eyes.
Intuitiveness? Check. Like picking up a phone.
Wireless charging, alarm if it gets far away, etc etc.
Any given person in the other room is generally small enough on the screen that them looking at the screen instead of the camera is fine. But I'm not sure if a more overhead angle would be as good.
[Edit: Disclaimer, I work at MS but not on Surface. I also don't know if there is post-processing applied to the video I linked, so maybe it can't be done realtime.]
IIRC, hololens does some of the reprojection magic already.
Like, if I take a picture of myself with a camera and look directly into the lens then my eyes are pointing directly forward. If I now continue looking at that same point but move the camera up on a step-ladder, the image I am going to get would not have my eyes aligning directly into the camera. How do you get around that?
I'm especially concerned because Microsoft stopped the support for a native Linux Skype client.
But I think in general Microsoft isn't that bad for cross-platform nowadays. On MacOS I have Office, Skype, Onedrive, etc. And I can access my documents on phones via mobile clients. The tools are all weaker than the Windows versions, but I think they mostly get the job done and are getting better over time.
Can't comment on pure Linux support, but would understand if it's lacking due to the smaller user-base.
In any case, as the site mentions, the new Hub is exclusively for Teams, which has its own conferencing system.
Now we're all using Zoom and it's much smoother. /anecdote
The chrome support is still a bit lacking, so Linux users are second class citizens for now. But it's improving steadily.
Microsoft has a much longer (and quite colourful) history of not-supporting and breaking interop.
However, I would guess that they would still be aggressive against other desktop OSs.