VNote for all desktops (Linux, Windows, macOS), that discussed on HN too.
Markor for Android, already available on F-Droid.
There's an interesting pattern developing (hopefully). Things that used to be GUI-only are now getting text interfaces, many times with some modified version of markdown. I made a free tool to capture analysis notes and diagrams a while back. You can see a demo here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFVfTpXCIiI As part of that, at the lowest level of detail I wanted a way to capture diagrams using plain text. Something universal.
We're almost there -- not quite there, but close. I found ways to do Activity Diagrams, flowcharts, domain models, and some other stuff using text. The formats were just a bit too dissimilar for comfort.
Why use text for all sorts of things that used to be graphical? Version control, text slicing and dicing, separation of document from view.
I'd love to see this trend continue, along with a consolidation into a super-markdown syntax. It could handle calendaring, diagramming, perhaps even layout -- along with what it currently does. I don't think you'd have to hack it up too much, but admittedly I haven't looked into the spec that much.
Anyway, I especially like the `sc` spreadsheet format and editor as an example of a GUI tool that works with text-based file formats. Despite the giant disclaimer at the top of each file saying not to edit it, it's shockingly human-friendly.
They may want to re-read the first review that they have posted on their site, meant to support the product. It says, "Well thought through, nicely designed and untuitively to use."
Untuitive is not a word, however it is also listed as slang in the urban dictionary as the opposite of intuitive. "I couldn't figure out how to use that web app, the navigation was untuitive."
I'm sure the review meant intuitive not untuitive, but being the very first review listed on their home page, it may make sense to fix the listing in order to not to give people the wrong impression.
I do like the program. Thank you.
After the trial was over, i was inable ro access my markdown notes again. I really really hate when I get locked into a product. No matter how open and cool it looks thanks to Markdown.
I use it and all my notes are in ~/Library/Application Support/co.noteplan/Calendar as text files. I don't think you lose anything if you want to migrate away.
Nope. My side project literally solves that: https://github.com/mickael-kerjean/nuage/wiki/Org-Mode (it's open source as well)
Locking yourself into another proprietary tool is something you (eventually) learn is a bad idea.
I think this was a parsing error.
> "Emacs is cross platform, and since org mode works on plain files, dropbox or any similar software will provide you cross platform syncing."
Emacs is cross platform and org-mode works on plain files. Therefore Dropbox or any similar software will provide you with cross platform syncing.
- Org-mode data format
- Software implementation that understands the data
Maybe it's a bit late to hope for wide software adoption for the org-syntax. Markdown has in a way taken that space already. But... I'm still hoping! ;)
Org mode has so many fans because of what the implementation (i.e. org-mode in Emacs) can do with those files. It works as an awesome ASCII table editor. It works as a half-decent spreadsheet. It works as a great planner. It works as a better version of Jupyter. And couple other things.
I'm the same with vim (and against I get why people love it).
Most all of my programming is done in an IDE and when I just want an editor (markdown usually) I tend to use vscode (I use it when I have a lot of frontend stuff to do as well, it's TS mode is better than Intellij's).
I don't currently use any of the big programming text editors (no emacs) so am pretty much starting from scratch.
Is org-mode great enough to invest in the learning curve over something like this, or over microsoft one note?
Most of my work is in windows using excel/word/outlook + SAS, oracle SQL, and R (using enterprise guide, toad, and rstudio resp.).
Choosing one note from the beginning is agreeing technical debt is an awesome thing:
- you're stuck with Windows (or whatever mac version they did)
- no way to properly version control it (proprietary
format and not just text)
- good luck to migrate somewhere else (I already experienced it with a colleague that left the company and had his entire knowledge base in there ...)
- you got to be happy with the direction Microsoft is taking it.
> Is org-mode great enough to invest in the learning curve over something like this
I don't know about this tool but org mode is as open as it can be and it's been here since years, text based. The time investment is minimal if you just want to use it, it's just all the features around that can take time. I wrote up a tutorial on getting started with org mode if you want to touch the surface of it (https://mickael.kerjean.me/2017/03/20/emacs-tutorial-series-...)
> Most of my work is in ..... R
You can literally put R code snippet in your org document and execute it straight from there but that's just one of the many features org mode has to offer
That's not a real problem, you can export onenote to many other doc formats. https://www.howtogeek.com/howto/22679/beginner-save-your-one...
Oh it's a real problem alright.
Having used many notes apps & formats over the years, I've been burned by this notion too many times to ever fall for it again. Exporting is only a practical means of migrating sizeable note collections if the export and subsequent import into another system can be done with high fidelity for both content and metadata. This is extremely rare. In practice, the exported version nearly always requires an amount of reorganisation work that's impractical if you have years' worth of notes.
I'll never again use notes software that uses an opaque storage format. In a way I regret this, as it precludes Onenote, Evernote etc, which do have their advantages (no note app I've tried has ever had as nice a basic canvas as Onenote, for example). But longevity and cross-platform availability are the keys for me.
I would have love to put my colleague note on our internal slack, the html export was the closest thing I could use but in practise the generate code is so crapy that it's wasn't possible without spending a lot of time cleaning up the mess and nobody were able to properly find something in his many years worth of internal knowledge base.
Quick added question (And apologies if addressed there already) any thoughts on alternate editors to emacs that also work with org-mod if I'm not invested in emacs already?
I've been doing some searching and see suggestions for spacemacs as a more intuitive editor to roll it into. (space key instead of ctrl, mnemonics used in commands)
emacs is the roll roice when it comes to org documents but out of it is perfectly fine, it's like editing markdown documents. I created a web version of orgmode that has quite a few of the goodies from the original orgmode: https://github.com/mickael-kerjean/nuage/wiki/Org-Mode
> I've been doing some searching and see suggestions for spacemacs as a more intuitive editor to roll it into.
spaceemacs is emacs + some stuff. It's like choosing ubuntu over arch linux, the only difference is the flavoring. Personally I'm a purist so I only go with the original version. The link I sent you is actually part of a serie I wrote on emacs that start here: https://mickael.kerjean.me/2017/03/18/emacs-tutorial-series-...
But as an example of what it can do (with a little customization), I use org mode for writing fiction. I give each scene a header kind of like a film script slug line. They automatically become foldable, so I can collapse them and just read the headers as an outline. Scenes can be rearranged at will. I can also work backwards from the headers, starting with an outline then filling in the scenes. I can also throw in todo list items wherever I want, on their own or interspersed with the text as reminders for things I want to go back to and edit. Then I have the exporter strips out all the org mode formatting, headers, etc and spit out the text in double spaced manuscript format.
It's the best writing tool I've ever used, with the possible exception of Scrivener.
It will help you with the organization using Org mode. But as you use it more, you might find yourself doing many more things more efficiently in Emacs.
Emacs is not something like Notepad where you go through all the settings and be rest assured that you know everything about the tool. Emacs is so extensible that if someone claims to know it 100%, they are naive. The beauty is that you learn to use the stuff that only you need, and learn more things as they come.
I am telling the above because you might get overwhelmed looking at Org mode feature set. But you don't have to know everything in that.. just learn and srart using what you need right now.
Emacs Speaks Statistics is a project I want to get into but have heard great things about that might interest you, it has support for R, Stata, SAS, etc.
Emacs is also great for email (I use notmuch).
I also thought that Spacemacs or Doom were great ways to get into Emacs.
Once you get into Emacs you won't be satisfied with most other things.
Org-mode is the only platform that can do anything I want, and things I didn't even know I wanted.
If you like tinkering and have free time (a spare weekend here and there), configuring Emacs becomes a hobby that is quite captivating and rewards you with a powerful tool for productivity, education, or work.
The learning curve is not really that big - you just have to accept you're going to learn using a new power tool, and be actually willing to spend more than 5 minutes on it, and occasionally open a manual or a tutorial. If you have couple of hours to spare, I recommend getting Emacs and playing a bit with Org mode. This will be enough for you to get a feel of whether you may like it or not.
(However, if most of your organization is related to your work on MS suite, I think you might be better off with One Note anyway, because of the deep integration of Microsoft tools.)
Or rummage about in my github. It isn't alpha yet, but what's visible is the tip of an iceberg...
I feel like this product has its own unique spot on the market provided they can get sync perfect and feature parity with org-agenda. Hopefully they have a CLI client in the works.
It works on google drive and pretty much everywhere else as well but it's open source
If I spend more than 30 minutes on something, 35$ is a fair price to pay for that time. I have used org-mode and getting it setup cross-device takes significantly more than 30 minutes.
(cross device including mobile where git isn't available like it is on a desktop)
Proper version control for note is a great thing to have, fortunatly there's ways to make it work cross devices: https://github.com/mickael-kerjean/nuage/wiki/Org-Mode (the screenshots were taken from a mobile device using Git as the place to store documents)
Syncing with existing calendar apps would be cool too, but I care a bit less about that, and maybe a bit more about some form of self-hosting the data.
aside: i thought the time lapse transition in the demo was pretty cleverly done
- Can I use latex?
- does it render inline single page PDF images?
I really like how integrated noteplan is cross-device and to my calendars. It "just works" and took me only a few minutes to get setup. The biggest setup pain point is that I didn't have my native calendar integration setup right.
35$ is more than fair for something that would take multiple hours to setup with other tools.
It doesn't do calendar integration (which probably makes it slightly off-topic), but for a lot of the other items mentioned in general note taking posts below, it works fantastically well.
For a complete note taking app I would like being able to insert more than text (or richer text) into the lists.
For simplicity and speed (the mobile app is an adapted version of the webapp, which is adapted well but still has problems with gestures, UI consistency and has to load for up to seconds on startup) my notes king is still Simplenote, which just processes text, but is very fast, native on Android (web on desktop) and has amazing synching.
- Selfhosting: you install the server all by yourself
- Saas mode: https://nuage.kerjean.me/ (that's my instance I use everyday)
- PaaS mode: Coming soon with heroku but also works with AWS Lambda
Could make it an electron thinghy as well but just never thought about it until now.
this seems un-constructive and mean-spirited. IMO, at the _very_ least, you should offer a reason as to why this isn't your cup of tea.