I do think in the future you should market it with the two differentiators more separate. "Show HN: A Reddit-style search engine where users upvote and downvotes links. It also doesn't track you!"
IMO thats a better product position.
EDIT: I'm not going to edit the landing page as not all users know what reddit is. The HN community knows reddit but post title could clearly be better.
(Submitted title was "Show HN: A Reddit-style search engine that doesn't track you".)
I don't know what this product is or does. Does it run locally? Is there a hosted version available? How is it different than DuckDuckGo or Startpage? Is there a voting feature, as the GP says?
A voting feature would make it interesting to me with one major caveat: It depends on who is doing the voting. For example, if I could restrict voting to HN users then it could be a very useful way to search for tech or for many intellectual topics but not for housing in Tokyo. A random subset of the general public's votes on tech topics would not be useful to me as a professional. Political topics seem like a minefield.
This is different than DDG/Startpage, etc in that everything is open source. I think I have a good start on the instant answers: "shaquille o'neal height", "weather", "matisyahu discography", etc. To my knowledge neither has Wikidata instant answers.
It's cool to see some new things happening in the search engine world.
Somehow similar to Searx, except that Jive even has its own crawler, whereas Searx really just is a metasearch engine.
I haven't tried setting up an instance myself, but it appears to be quite simple.
One thing: I found it a bit unclear what the voting does.
Thanks for sharing this. We need more truly free search engines, and not just non-free ones trying to appear "open source friendly", like DuckDuckGo.
You will need Elasticsearch, Redis, PostgreSQL as well as run the Wikipedia & MusicBrainz dumps. Let me know if you run into any issues.
seems like a neat idea I'd love to see proven out, keep it up!
With that said, perhaps peer-promoted links would solve this issue. If you built a network of peers (my brother, his friend, his friends friend) and modulated upvoted by their abstraction to me, it could make for a nice up voting system.
Anyone know if that style of voting has been implemented by anyone? Does it suffer fatal flaws? Sounds difficult to implement, for starters.
Reddit has tons of manipulation by users yet relevancy seems to be very good there.
Any heavily manipulated system could have organic and true content for some people. I think the goal would be to have trust in the platform. Reddit, as of late, has no trust with anything of meaning. It has been shown to be manipulated by companies and governments.
I could hire a firm to push my content in your favorite subreddits.. so I struggle to see how Reddit is remotely a good platform for non-manipulated discovering content.
Many people don't like that Google can alter their searches, providing bad incentives. A Reddit-like search now opens up the ability to manipulate your searches to ad agencies, governments, bad actors, etc.
Since the scoring system can be customized I think we can eventually figure out a way to deal with bots but it will always be done in a way that has to treat all domains equally. I think it would be appropriate to have our scoring system regularly audited (along with the rest of the code) to ensure that we treat all domains equally and that no modifications are being made to the rest of the code in regards to privacy.
If, after all of that, you aren't satisfied then by all means you can run your own instance and order the results as you see fit while blocking others from upvoting/downvoting.
EDIT: BTW, I am not suggesting that the voting system is set in stone. If there is a better way then I'd love to hear it! I do understand the drawbacks to the users voting and I hope I am not coming across as being completely inflexible on this point. I just haven't come up with a better alternative and haven't gotten much in terms of concrete suggestions.
That's the million dollar question isn't it? If I had an answer, I'd have a product ;)
That doesn't change the fact though that I don't trust Reddit any further than I can throw it. It's fun for memes, but beyond that it's been proven to having been manipulated multiple times now.
> Since the scoring system can be customized I think we can eventually figure out a way to deal with bots but it will always be done in a way that has to treat all domains equally. I think it would be appropriate to have our scoring system regularly audited (along with the rest of the code) to ensure that we treat all domains equally and that no modifications are being made to the rest of the code in regards to privacy.
Yea, I hope. I'm not trying to knock your product at all btw. If you read my first comment, I even said I love the idea of a voting based search, but I just can't trust the public to do the voting. If it was based on a peer network (brothers friend, brother's friend's friend, etc), maybe that would be better. Obviously though there are challenges with that sort of method, I'm not saying it's perfect or even good - it was just an idea after 30s of thinking haha.
> EDIT: BTW, I am not suggesting that the voting system is set in stone. If there is a better way then I'd love to hear it! I do understand the drawbacks to the users voting and I hope I am not coming across as being completely inflexible on this point. I just haven't come up with a better alternative and haven't gotten much in terms of concrete suggestions.
You haven't gotten concrete suggestions because I think no one knows the answer. Information manipulation is, in my opinion, the biggest problem facing humanity right now. Literally. So it's no surprised that our ideas to prevent manipulation at scale are lacking.
EDIT: The scoring function can also be customized. https://github.com/jivesearch/jivesearch/blob/master/search/...
Cool idea to mash up though. Have you calculated how many people need to actively vote on stuff for the good results to actually get to the top?
EDIT: Like I've pointed out in other comments the default scoring system can be customized and that behavior could be changed.
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When I see "Reddit-style search...", I immediately think of search that doesn't work.
EDIT: To clarify - I've just referenced Reddit in this post. I don't plan to use it anywhere else.
Seems like an interesting idea - could be quite useful if you can get a critical mass of user data.
I would suggest rewording the tagline to "Privacy respecting search engine with reddit style voting".