To quote a crazy Canadian we met, "if you had poo on your arm and you wiped it off with toilet paper, would you say its clean?"
That said, SE Asia really lends itself to the Bum Gun. Its warm and can be humid, so you're not really worried about being a bit damp afterwards. I can't imagine being in a suit in cold UK winter and using one.
Looking forward to trying a Japanese toilet with those sprays...
If you had poo on your arm and rinsed it with a gentle spray of plain water, would you say it's clean?
If I had poo on my arm, I'd use soap and water to clean it then rinse well. Of course, if my arm was what was generating the poo, I'd probably be less fastidious about keeping it clean and free of poo. And I'd see a doctor.
That is why the only acceptable option is using a bidet, with soap of course. It boggles my mind that some people can withstand even the thought of cleaning themselves with just paper or wet wipes.
This is the correct answer.
Baby wipes or go home.
If you are so worried about clogging anything, put them in the compost bin.
And do not get me started on antibacterials... RID dosages to the rescue! (not necessarily a product endorsement).
If they are made of, let's say, viscose rayon which is wood pulp (well, any compatible plant fiber) there's no reason why it would clog anything at the processing plant.
Edit: Well, it would also depend on how your local plant processes waste. Give them a call and ask them.
Even Andrex's maximally biodegradable 'flushable washlets' offering contains 2% plastic fibers.
gentle, my eye. Here its usually forceful enough that it seems it would fountain out through my head. IMO way better than smearing things around and calling it clean.
Why wouldn't you just use the 3 seashells?
I can poor water from a bottle of water onto the poo on my arm and I'd still think it'd be unclean. I'd need some positive pressure to think otherwise. Oh, and some soap.
Some of them also have variable temperature.
On our bicycle-journey through Asia we had a dedicated squeezable poo-bottle and poo-soap ("Kackflasche" and "Kackseife" in German).
You know a high pressure hose that pushes back when you spray it? It was like that. Vicious.
In terms of duration, it was just like a normal tap, I assume fed by the local water supply so you're not limited.
I'd use it for max 10 seconds to feel fresh.
Sometimes, while in a toilet cubicle, I hear other people wipe once or twice, then leave - their arses are definitely shitty.
Me - I bring in a cup of water, and wet the paper to give my arse a proper shine.
I usually tear off the sheets before I'm done, so that if I go multiple rounds, my TP is prepped. Usually, that means I tear off 3-4 strips of 2 squares each if it's thick paper, or strips of 3 squares if thin. After going gluten-free, I rarely end up using all the strips, and I'd say about a third the time, I'm done after using my first two squares of it, so the rest is wasted.
You can think that you've won the poo lottery by pinching one off that seems to wipe clean, but no one is going to recommend sticking that paper back on the roll or putting it in their pocket to wipe their child's face with later just because they don't see anything on it. That's absurdity, and anyone arguing otherwise knows they wouldn't do the same because they don't actually believe it's clean.
That "clean" paper has enough on it to inoculate a fecal assay, and for some people, that's enough to cause issues. There's also the case of it wiping clean but not being completely cleared yet. Not everyone needs maintenance wipes, so not everyone even knows or understands how unreliable wiping as an indicator is.
The mods of HN are suffering from wipe privilege, and it needs to be addressed.
My dad says the same thing but he uses wet wipes.
No because it would stink up the place and someone can touch your poo while taking out the trash
How about menstruation pads? Are you afraid to touch those as well when you take out the trash? Because what you said is true for anything which resides in a trash bin or compost bin. Heck, my plastic bin sometimes smells like rotten fish. It is disgusting. But that's what you get when you eat fish.
I have raised chickens, after a year or so to "cook" (I am a low-intensity composter) we end up with some pretty rich compost.
Plus, their toilets have a different shape, something like this:
As far as I've heard, this form of toilet is better and easier for colons.
Grab a copy of a basic barbell weightlifting book, and you'll see - it'll say the same thing.
Most people from Asia are able to squat pretty comfortably, comfortably as in heel on the ground and not exerting any calf or knee tension, having done it since childhood. Most Western Europeans and Americans can no, the heel of the foot doesn't rest on the ground and squatting is done on the ball of the foot therefore calf and knee pressure.
A few years after my time there I saw the “Squatty Potty” on Shark Tank, but haven’t tried it. Anyone with thoughts?
That, spreading cheeks when sitting down, and a decent diet means almost zero clean up.
But yeah, once you've discovered the beauty of the hose, it's hard to go back. Worse is traveling in other tropical parts of the world with bad plumbing, where the solution to the same problem is "giant garbage bag filled with used toilet paper".
Also see this episode of mythbusters, which goes into much more depth than the synopsis on Wikipedia:
And the high-end ones, which are only marginally better, are very, very loud. Loud enough to trigger tinnitus in myself, for example.
Paper towels don't "waste" paper, they use paper (of which there's no shortage of, in the world) very efficiently. Plus in Germany and Portugal (at least) they have these reusable cloth towels that move between two spools.
If I don't have towels of any kind, I just wipe my hands on my clothes. It's not great but it sure beats the damn useless contraption.
I basically don't use air dryers any more due to the infernal noise of the new ones. I'd rather go with wet hands.
also, the level of noise pollution they create is toxic. Especially the high end/high speed ones.
This whole floor (hosting six companies I think?) in a prominent office tower has one shared male restroom.
Two booths. One is usable for me, the other one the scary thing. Most people, locals included, fight for the single seat..
Once you get a stomach bug and you should have gone to the bathroom a minute ago you'll figure it out :) . Hint: It's like the old days, like we've been doing it for millennia, if not millions of years. https://www.google.com/search?q=how+to+use+squat+toilet
Not sure how I feel about sharing this here but yeah, this should answer some of those questions.
The Youtuber is.. A 'comedian'..
This is a thing for westerners; the squat position (with feet flat on the floor) is really hard to do for a lot of them, iirc mostly having to do with ankle flexibility (for me personally anyway). In countries with squat toilets the people are a lot more used to the position / motion. I guess most people could get by with doing a toe squat, but that's harder to keep balance.
TP illustrates the triumph of civilization: 1000s of people all doing specialized jobs so billions of people can each avoid a daily unpleasantness.
Shizzles, I couldn't make a simple flame by myself ;p
(source: guided tour of a late-1800s castle with a fully equipped French kitchen complex. Complex because they had rooms for separate tasks.)
Equating centralised planning with socialism is wrong though. You can have the latter without the former.
No. Just that it could not produce them reliably with efficiency. Consider this from Friedman's book "Free to Choose":
First, the wood comes from a tree, "a cedar of straight grain that grows in Northern California and Oregon." To cut down the tree and cart the logs to the railroad siding requires "saws and trucks and rope and . . . countless other gear." Many persons and numberless skills are involved in their fabrication: in "the mining of ore, the making of steel and its refinement into saws, axes, motors; the growing of hemp and bringing it through all the stages to heavy and strong rope; the logging camps with their beds and mess halls, ... untold thousands of persons had a hand in every cup of coffee the loggers drink!" And so Mr. Read goes on to the bringing of the logs to the mill, the millwork involved in converting the logs to slats, and the transportation of the slats from California to Wilkes-Barre, where the particular pencil that tells the story was manufactured. And so far we have only the outside wood of the pencil. The "lead" center is not really lead at all. It starts as graphite mined in Ceylon. After many complicated processes it ends up as the lead in the center of the pencil. The bit of metal - the ferrule - near the top of the pencil is brass. "Think of all the persons," he says, "who mine zinc and copper and those who have the skills to make sheet brass from these products of nature." What we call the eraser is known in the trade as "the plug." It is thought to be rubber. But Mr. Read tells us the rubber is only for binding purposes. The erasing is actually done by "Factice," a rubberlike product made by reacting rape seed oil from the Dutch East Indies (now Indonesia) with sulfur chloride. After all of this, says the pencil, "Does anyone wish to challenge my earlier assertion that no single person on the face of this earth knows how to make me?" None of the thousands of persons involved in producing the pencil performed his task because he wanted a pencil. Some among them never saw a pencil and would not know what it is for. Each saw his work as a way to get the goods and services he wanted - goods and services we produced in order to get the pencil we wanted. Every time we go to the store and buy a pencil, we are exchanging a little bit of our services for the infinitesimal amount of services that each of the thousands contributed toward producing the pencil. It is even more astounding that the pencil was ever produced. No one sitting in a central office gave orders to these thousands of people. No military police enforced the orders that were not given. These people live in many lands, speak different languages, practice different religions, may even hate one another - yet none of these differences prevented them from cooperating to produce a pencil.
They had cars made of toilet papers. /s The car industry is a great example of how centralized planning is a total failure.
(Yes, I know we could)
My favorite part is at 4:43 with the Circular Saw!
Would you put your face in your shoes for hours at a time, or rub it on the ground when you walked? Probably not, but thats no problem for the feet, because they're a different body part with different strengths and requirements.
You clean your arse with water so that it's clean and not just wiped with paper, just as you afterwards will wash your hands instead of just wiping them on a paper towel.
When I first got into the paper industry, which resulted from coming out of grad school during the Great Recession, I thought i would be a top performer within six months. I have to admit though that it took me longer to be proficient in my current position than it did in my former position as a metrology engineer in a semiconductor fab. There is more technology in the paper industry than one might assume.
1) iPhone X already has this feature.
2) GDPR will require you to opt-in to asshole tracking, and you'll also have the right to request your asshole scans be forgotten.
I wonder how feasible it would be to embed chemical sensors into such an environment.
The way to make a cloth that supports such high shear stress without tearing is to use a very long fiber. This precludes the fiber from dissolving in water. Some experimental materials actually dissolve not in water but in alkalines such as fats that are found in most sewer systems. But not all sewer systems have the proper conditions so these materials then do not dissolve.
(* source: https://www.proremodeler.com/bidets-finally-making-inroads-u... )
The predecessor to the above were small squeeze bottles full of water, and you can still buy various versions of these today, which are heaven-on-earth as a wilderness backpacker.
I picked up a travel bidet for backpacking, and it has proven to be one of the best uses of six bucks that I can remember. Weighs in at 50g (~2oz), and not only cuts down on the amount of TP I need to pack in (and out), but it's also been a general lifesaver when traveling.
You're a life saver. Accidentally pulling out my shit wipe Ziploc is my least favorite part of backpacking.
That would mean literally looking at poopy buttholes all day long and highlighting the poop on the butt, maybe also highlighting where you think the hose should start. I wouldn't want to be that Mechanical Turker
I always knew Finnish people were rough and tough back in the day, but this gave me a whole new perspective.
"In Rome, people cleaned themselves after using a public latrine with a sea sponge lashed to a stick, stored in a bucket of salt water or vinegar. It was considered polite to give the sponge a cursory rinse and a squeeze before putting it back in the bucket to get it ready for the next person."
|'I have, answered Gargantua, by a long and curious experience, found out a means to wipe my bum, the most lordly, the most excellent, and the most convenient that ever was seen… I say and maintain, that of all torcheculs, arsewisps, bumfodders, tail-napkins, bunghole cleansers, and wipe-breeches, there is none in the world comparable to the neck of a goose, that is well downed, if you hold her head betwixt your legs.'
Not just a small bird, but a whole goose neck! XD
Interesting. The TOTO washlet style toilet was marketed originally in the US as a medical device (meant for people who had difficulty wiping). It never caught on in the US but caught on in Japan instead. I'm wondering if the washlet is the next technological advancement like the toilet paper was compared to the Roman butt-brush. In theory a butt brush can still work today, although considered unsanitary, but a wipe with paper is just as unsanitary when compared to flushing with water. Even a non-electronic bidet is vastly superior to toilet paper.
As someone said, if you got poop on your arm, maybe while changing a diaper, would you wipe it off with a piece of paper and consider it clean? No, not if you're from the mainstream of any developed country. You would use water, soap, and maybe more extreme measures.
Well, why do you leave your anus caked with residual poop, then? Advance into the 18th century: get a bidet, and learn to use it. Overcome your ignorance and embarrassment. Even I did.
(I still use toilet paper in public restrooms, though. They usually don't have bidets.)
Having a separate system and jet of water seems like a lot more complexity with increased risk of splash. And the cleaning properties of dampened paper seem strictly better than a stream of water. Just like I wouldn't wipe off poo from my arm with dry paper, I also wouldn't just run my arm under water without also mechanically scrubbing it.
Obviously, most toilets without bidets don't have faucets close enough to reach from the toilet, so a bidet might be an improvement over the status quo. But it seems way easier to install a small faucet than a stand-alone bidet, and way less maintenance to have a small faucet than one of those built-in water jets for toilets.
Water pressure. I live on the 5th floor of a 16 floor building with the water tank at the top. The pressure of the bidet is enough to clean everything off in seconds. The risk of splash is only when you use it incorrectly. Just sit for a minute or two extra to let gravity do it's work on the excess water present on your butt.
>Having a separate system and jet of water seems like a lot more complexity
I don't think so. In India, we just attach it to a normal water valve. The same one to which we attach taps, flush tanks, showers etc. It's a pretty standardized attachment.
Now, my flushable-wipe usage has a median and mode of 1, with a mean of maybe 1.2. The long right-hand tail is considerably shorter and not as tall.
All this is probably better for the environment since it probably uses less stuff to get the extra water to my house than it does to get the extra processed butt wipes to my house. Also, I get a cleaner clean with fewer wipes going down the pipes, which reduces the likelihood that the pipes will clog. The Cottonelles I use don't clog my pipes generally, but I've used (and stopped using!) other brands that have.
As for the splash? Well, I've got TP right there if my cheeks and perineum get too wet. It's not a problem.
That's funny, I think the Brazilians have exactly the opposite insult - i.e., the French rarely take a bath.
I understand that with a bidet one must use one's naked fingers to clean the area. That seems substantially grosser than using toilet paper. Then there's the risk of spray going the wrong direction, and of getting one's trousers wet.
A bidet sounds awesome, but terribly impractical. I wonder how people are able to use one so often.
· Just spray your anus with high-pressure water, let it drain, then put your pants back on, dampening them with the few drops remaining. This leaves you cleaner than toilet paper, while keeping your fingers away from your anus and any poop that might be hanging around.
· Spray your anus with high-pressure water, then use your naked fingers and soap to wash. This does indeed potentially contaminate your hands with the film of fecal bacteria left behind, but then you wash your naked fingers with soap and hot water, which is usually considered adequate.
$35 and installs in 10 mins with included tools on most toilets. I have installed them on every toilet I regularly use and somewhat internally question anyone who uses Amazon and toilets and doesn’t have one.
It also now bothers me when I stay in a 5 star hotel in the US and there is no bidet; I have seriously considered installing one of these (and leaving it) in each hotel I stay at for more than 48h.
Others: be sure to read the review by Mercury. It's very funny.
Method: after pooping at home, I use a vaginal cleanser (a pump) with some soap to lubricate the tube and inject cold fresh water into the anus. I immediately release the water into the toilet. It gives me additional relief after the regular evacuation and there is always something to be released.
Here’s a traditional enema method:
(Spot the euphemism. But it is also used for drying feet, after wrapping the body with the bath towel, when coming out of the shower.)
Do we need to bring Dyson to the table ? bladeless ass wipe, only 900$
They did provide a reference point...
> if you got poop on your arm, maybe while changing a diaper, would you wipe it off with a piece of paper and consider it clean?
...were you expecting something more rigorous?
A bidet you use water to clean your outputs, instead of paper only. But
1) you probably have your arm under there to dry it too, it's cleaner but not perfectly clean I suppose. So you might have bacteria/microbes too
2) I forgot my 2 but you get the idea. Unless you have something that doesn't involve approaching your ass you're still not 100% clear.
It connects to your water faucet or your toilet tank so you don’t spread germs in the sink. On Amazon they start at $ 10.
For an educational laugh: https://youtu.be/dKkryfdtMNQ
By the way, the simplest solution, for people who are regular, is simply to do your business before your shower.
+1 for wet wipes.
As long as you bin them.
when considering how to travel where-ever i want and for cheap i considered a van or rv. in both cases im stuck chasing after land installations that allow me to essentially use a toilet. with the rv, you have to offload somewhere and with a van you have to be near someone else's toilet.
the best solution i can think of is to have a special toilet that uses plastic bagging. a continuous sleeve of plastic is fed through the toilet and lines the inside of the "bowl" and is sealed at the bottom of the bowl forming a plastic bag. waste is collected and then the plastic material is rolled out -- so the bag descends and is replaced with new plastic material above. plenty of extra plastic is reeled out and a heating element comes in and seals the bag above the waste, simultaneously creating a new "bag" to catch waste and sealing completely the waste in the old bag. the end result is a completely clean bowl and fully contained waste. the waste bags could then be disposed of in an incinerator or a processing plant at some later time. the bag could be made biodegradable and a sterilizing agent added to the bag before its sealed to allow the bags to be disposed of without processing.
in the end, water and plastic are largely the same thing. oxygen, hydrogen and carbon are all you need to make either. recycling plastic will, in the future, be trivial. same with water and all other substances.
Sawdust is the only alternative in my opinion
Many will typically have a pee bottle, and then a bucket double-lined with plastic bags and filled with dirt or cat litter. There are contoured lids that fit over common bucket sizes and make something of a seat.
There are loads of cassette-type portable toilets too.
2 and it already exists and is common in eg. campers
In various parts of the world, previous to this trip, I encountered trash cans (or bins as we call them) in bathrooms for toilet tissue (Turkey is an example). I also encountered "bum guns" (the hoses with a sort of shower head that you can fire at yourself after bowl movements). What I typically did was ignore both and continue my business the way I knew how.
Since starting this year long trip, I have been forcing myself to try more things. And all the countries I have visited so far have requested toilet paper isn't flushed and they have the bum gun. So I tried it, and shockingly found it works really well. No matter how bad the movement is (eating street food, often heavily spiced, etc) the bum gun does a splendid job of completely cleaning you, and you don't have to get your hands particularly close to the zone you are cleaning. It is far less abrasive, environmentally better, and leaves you cleaner (it is like if you have a muddy arm, and attempt to clean it by wiping it with tissues vs having a shower).
After using the bum gun, typically I will use a couple of sheets of toilet paper, initially to make sure I was clean, but I so found this wasn't necessary, but I still use a couple just to get dry. Sometimes there isn't any available, and I don't have any, so I leave the bathroom with a slight amount of wetness which quickly dries in the hot countries.
The toilet paper goes into the bin, but unlike in Turkey where it was used toilet paper (used without bum gunning) which stunk the whole room out, now the toilet paper is inoffensive and without smell).
So overall, I feel the way things are done over here have a lot of positives. I am certainly glad I embraced it.
On a tangent, I believe people who wipe typically do it one of two ways:
1. Whilst sitting on the toilet, do some sort of lean and wipe manoeuvre
2. Stand up, squat a tiny bit and wipe.
I have been taught to do 2 as a child, but find some toilets aren't designed for this, as they have a sensor which flushes when you stand (even if you are standing to wipe). I find these sensors are much more common in the US than other places I have visited. It is almost like the designer doesn't know about all the people who use method 2.
Best line in the article. Though, TIL contrary to the popular myth, urine isn't sterile.
I have heard that the piss-collection industry still exists, but collecting the urine from portable toilets and extracting human urokinase from it, rather than using it for cleaners, glazes, and flavorings.
And, after searching for confirmation, here it is: http://www.toilets.com/Pharm/pharm_production.htm
Ah, detailed on Wikipedia:
For those wanting to try out the bidet without buying one there's always the backcountry bidet .
Which the Philippines, where this is widespread practice, definitely isn't.
It seems like the idea never truly died out.
A lot of public toilets in the Middle East will have something similar to a kitchen sink spray attachment mounted on the wall next to the toilet along with a liquid soap dispenser. You can use them in a similar way to the pot you mention.
That's a funny thing to say for an American, because, to Europeans, American toilets are much too public: doors don't go to the floor or ceiling, and even "walls" are thin sheets of wood/plastic loosely joined together with huge spaces between them.
It seems, Americans don't trust one another to sit alone in a toilet; I still don't know if it's for security purposes (to check if someone has a heart failure?) or puritanical reasons (make sure people aren't having sex?) but it sure feels strange, and very difficult to get used to when one comes from a different culture.
I've always thought it was far less interesting than that:
they're cheaper and faster to install. Minimal thought was probably given to the people using them.
To save everyone from having to wade through stack exchange, here is the ultimate link:
"604.8.1.4 Toe Clearance
The front partition and at least one side partition shall provide a toe clearance of 9 inches (230 mm) minimum above the finish floor and 6 inches (150 mm) deep minimum beyond the compartment-side face of the partition, exclusive of partition support members.
EXCEPTION: Toe clearance at the front partition is not required in a compartment greater than 62 inches (1575 mm) deep with a wall-hung water closet or 65 inches (1650 mm) deep with a floor-mounted water closet."
Source: was a janitor for a while in my youth.
Those regulations likely there for "decency and safety". E.g. to discourage people having sex, or to make it more obvious if someone passes out. That is: the regulations really are there to make reduce privacy.
There might be good arguments for reducing privacy, but that is still the proximate goal of the rules.
Perhaps it started in the US because of safety or puritanism, but has now simply become a de facto standard in the US building industry. I doubt most building developers still think about safety or puritanism and specifically request this type of bathroom walls.
It would, but then in larger bathrooms you'd have to be able to hang some of the weight off the ceiling, and you'd still have issues with things swinging or bending.
(1) I am from Europe and I went to America.
(2) Americans do things in a way I find unusual and/or distressing.
(3) The cause must be a character flaw shared by all Americans (security and puritanical reasons...?).
(1) I am from $region_X and I went to $region_Y
(2) $region_Y'ers do things in a way I find unusual and/or distressing
(3) The cause must be a character flaw shared by all $region_Y'ers (<insert stereotypes of choice here>).
and your statement is still valid about this formula.
I think we tend to preferentially notice them when we're in one of the two regions involved, but in general the world (and so the internet) is full of this sort of semantically null comparisons about culture and stereotypes. I've started seeing these as idle chatter akin to "Hey, look at that weirdly painted bus". At most I'd respond with "oh heh cool" but I'm not going to spend any more of my energy trying to explain choices of bus colors to anyone.
Virtually all software tools designed by Cadence, Synopsys, and Mentor include a Tcl REPL/console.
Any task performed in the GUI is actually executed in the REPL, making it easy to replicate a specific flow by just copy/pasting the commands displayed in the REPL into a Tcl script.
To load a script, you simply pass it as an argument when running the software.
source: American that is still in shock by septic tank users that have to throw their feces-paper in the trashcan.
Around 20% of homes in America have their own septic tank. And essentially all of them flush their toilet paper like everyone else.
They did put sewers in about 15 years after the houses were built, and mandated hooking into it on the next septic tank pumping. But the tanks are left underground, as removing them would leave a 20 foot hole in the backyard of each house.
In short, what's this about tossing your stool in the trash?
What? Where/when/why is that necessary?
After moving back to the USA it was just as weird to put paper in the toilets (though drinking the same water you bathe in was the weirdest part).
I think people exaggerate the weirdness and difficulty of adjustment, because in both instances it took me a week at most to get used to either way.
Surely you mean the water that enters the house via plumbing, is used for both bathing and drinking from via a faucet. As opposed to drinking bath water.
Is the weirdness of that because they don't drink tap water in the Dominican?
Yes, almost nowhere in Central America would you (or locals) drink water from the tap. Things like brushing your teeth are a grey area.
But my point was about the fact that the author of the article was shocked that latrines in Pompei were public and shared, while in the US toilets are almost as public as in Pompei (not exactly as much, but still too much for someone from a different culture).
We've always enjoyed here to mean America. I guess it won't be for long.
There's cultural differences the other direction. German toilets catch feces on what we called a "shit shelf" instead letting it fall and submerge in water. Which, of course, made for a pretty bad odor situation.
And in Turkey, the "toilet" was a hole in the ground. Even in the Hilton, it was a fancy carved marble and gold leaf "4 inch diameter hole in the floor". My quads and other muscles aren't accustomed to that, and neither was my aim :)
I just shrugged both off and figured there was some history I didn't understand.
You get the odor anyway, that difference is quite negligible, but the "shit shelf" also serves a purpose: It "breaks up" the log by curling it and thus prevents clogging the toilet/the log getting stuck. Which, depending on the size and consistency of it, can happen quite often.
These toilets also ain't universal in Germany, the one in my flat sadly doesn't have a "shit shelf", which leads to the situation that I sometimes (after eating too much for a while) have to flush several times until it's gone. That's not just a waste of water, it's a rather nasty process having to go through.
Squatting toilets also ain't reserved to Turkey, many Asian countries have them. Using them depends a lot on technique, here's a rather humorous tutorial .
I can see the advantage of them as minimizing skin contact with the toilet's surface, which depending on the hygienic state of the toilet might be quite preferable.
Submerging it in water made a huge difference. Maybe some chemical engineer can confirm my layman observation.
Also, when I try to squat with my feet flat on the floor as shown in that video, I invariably fall over backwards.
I also fall over when I try to squat flat on my heels. Friends who do yoga and friends from countries with squat toilets have no trouble with it though. All children under about 10 years old can squat just fine. Lesson: get your kids a squat toilet if you want them to have standard human levels of ankle flexibility when they grow up (also very helpful for improving jumping skill, if they plan to ever play sports). ;)
Considering the kind of odor we are talking about here, I just don't think the difference is really that huge because when it stinks it stinks, and it pretty much always stinks.
Tho, how to quantify odor sounds like an interesting question.
Isn't filtering volatiles through water part of the logic of a water pipe/bong/hookah?
For the last few months I've been using a urine-diverting style waterless toilet, where the solids land in a bucket with dirt. This means the solids are uncovered until completion, when more dirt gets poured over. The dietary feedback in this arrangement can be brutal, odor being a significant component until covered.
It's a weird surprise, suddenly getting touched there when not expecting it. Then there is an additional body part that needs cleaning.
You also had to bring your own toilet paper too which I found out much too late in the process
0/10 Experience for sure
I did end up buying a normal toilet and mounting it over the hole in my apartment.
Dusch Das is the brand name of the shower gel, Dusch means shower, Das is one of the three articles, so by turning the words around and into a rhyme, and says: "Dusch Das, the shower ace."
Makes sense if you’ve been responsible for a bathroom that has been defiled. I worked in a retail shop where a homeless person bathed himself from the sink and made things such a mess that the bathroom had to be closed off from both customers and employees. It was, bluntly, gross.
Being homeless should not rob people of access to basics such as a bathroom. At the same time, businesses should not have to fill in for this need. The solution, as I see it, is improving access to city resources with a budget designed to serve the homeless. I don’t know how to accomplish this; it just seems most appropriate to me given my limited knowledge.
And I actually prefer the American bathrooms. I often refer to European toilet stalls as "fart coffins" given how claustrophobic and un-ventilated they are. If you can get over the idea that other people in the bathroom are pooping (gasp!), they are perfectly fine.
You probably wouldn't like the cross-stall conversations that also take place.
... or exactly as public bogs in high use areas such as motorway service stations are generally built across the UK, France, Germany, Italy, Czech Republic, Hungary, Bulgaria, Greece, Cyprus. I've only listed some of the countries I have directly been to. Can't say I've noticed much difference in general between bogs in the US and anywhere else these days. Some do have gaps to aid cleaning and some don't.
~35 years ago I did have a bit of a shock on discovering my first "stand and deliver" style toilet in (somewhere) with a floor to ceiling pole to assist with accurate and steady arse positioning. These are rather rarer these days but still to be found.
I've seen them just turn on a pressurized hose and get all the stalls in one strafing action.
It's been a long time since I've seen one - but they used to be everywhere! Years ago I went on a tour at the University of Nebraska and one of the "highlights" was telling us about a building with the world's longest trough urinal. Unfortunately the building was closed that day and I didn't get to see it.
And some other examples you didn't know about :) --> https://rickzullo.com/bathrooms-in-italy/
PS. The hole in the floor toilet is also in france.
We had a guy try and propose this for Yankee Stadium, but it didn't take.
Far from the most extreme example:
Though, there’s actually a pretty interesting history on how pay toilets were banned in the states, partly due to women’s lib.
Nope, many of our airports have stall walls that go to the floor to discourage cruising.
Bad design. With today's pervasiveness of smartphone cameras, it's difficult to not be afraid that someday, somebody will pull a prank and make a shot from above or below; and of course post it on Facebook.
My SO is a teacher, it's been going on for a long while now.
I'm from the UK, and OK, sometimes there is a small gap between the door and the floor and ceiling.
In the US, sometimes the stall door is literally just over waist height while sitting on the shitter curling one out... I've never come across anything remotely like that anywhere in the UK.
Puritanical, yes, but more likely to make sure people aren't using drugs.
I hardly think deterring people from having sex in a public restroom (if that's even actually the case) so that everyone - young and old - can go to the bathroom without having to be privy to people screwing around, and not wanting to risk exposure to yet another bodily fluid in addition to all the others that public restrooms have way too many of, is "puritanical".
Or doing drugs.
Washing is definitely far superior. Yay Romans! (although not so much for shared poo-sponge)
Needless to say, even the most hardline clerics are unwilling to follow this rule in present day.
It's one of those rules that is always conveniently left out when muslims defend religious rules. But in reality some people actually do this. There was a recent court case in Egypt when a chef insisted on doing things this way and that this -and not washing hands afterwards- should be enough. I don't even know how the court case went but I doubt the guy still has any customers.
(incidentally this may be why there is a sharia rule that you should -only- use your right hand for eating, greeting, opening doors and it's attempting to further insult slaves by calling slaves "those owned by the left hand")
(it would probably be worth pointing out that when one does not have the availability of modern toilets and toilet paper this is probably a good way to significantly slow the spread of several very serious diseases. It won't stop them, of course)
Besides, there seem to be lots of cultures where people have water but not pressure, and it seems that they use fingers. (Often the left hand.)
I found kragen's answer above to be much more helpful, in that he explains both water-only and water-plus-fingers options.
I would feel a little uncomfortable about handling poo that closely and maybe getting it under my fingernails, but that's my own hangup. I don't believe my habits are objectively superior.
Best solution is do your business at home before shower. Hot water and soap and wash cloth or something in shower is only way to get properly clean.
When out and about, wet paper is the best, it is superior to water alone, and dry paper in terms of cleaning yourself after you've done business. This is why wet-wipes are so popular. It's all about getting you the distance to the next shower in your life.
I don't subscribe to water alone, or using hand to clean yourself. Even when washing your hands after, you might have bits under your fingernails, and that is disgusting. Toilet paper is a protective barrier to the horrible matter. I will never use my hand. Obviously the Romans didn't want to use their hands either, and preferred a communal bum cleaner!
> an ancient Roman would grab a tersorium (or, in my technical terms, a “toilet brush for your butt”). A tersorium is an ingenious little device made by attaching a natural sponge (from the Mediterranean Sea, of course) to the end of a stick. Our ancient Roman would simply wipe him- or herself, rinse the tersorium in the running water or a small bucket of vinegar, and return it to the stand for the next person to use.
The question is finally answered in the 11th paragraph of the article.
When I try to browse to the site from Lynx, I get 403 forbidden'ed. Can anyone else confirm? Works fine from Firefox Nightly for me.
Any thought on why this would be? Are they intentionally blocking non-js enabled web browsers?
Anytime I have the privacy to do so, I use a few paper towels and some soapy water and I treat the affected area as if I'm removing a dog's mess from a soft carpet. At home sometimes I'll just jump in the shower. There's no going back to wiping with tissue paper and wishing for the best.
In Rome, people cleaned themselves after using a public latrine with a sea sponge lashed to a stick, stored in a bucket of salt water or vinegar. It was considered polite to give the sponge a cursory rinse and a squeeze before putting it back in the bucket to get it ready for the next person.
There might be something to that. I've heard that people occasionally quit using heroin. I only know one family that even has a retrofitted toilet seat with bidet function. That scalds your bung if you try to use it, because they have their water heater set to 99 degrees C. (It might not actually be that high, but they're certainly safe from Legionnaire's Disease.)
So toilet paper reigns there still.
I'm pretty sure that you would also wet it before use and if the job was demanding, during use. It would be more or less the same as using wet wipes, which is a contemporary practice for some.
Sweden during 1920, in Swedish https://www.faltbiologerna.se/faltbiologen/innan-toapapperet...
There are many varieties of things in nature you can use to wipe with, in contrast to the modern choice which has been reduced to white paper with or without printed flowers.
One can carve sticks out of firewood, and use them to scrape residue off. It was important that the sticks had a smooth and sharp edge. They take about a minute to make. They are disposeable, and you could make them ahead of time. When you cut wood with an axe, you get a lot of tiny pieces of wood left which are great for this. You could not use human poop as manure in situations where the used sticks would cause trouble. You did not wash your hands, because you only held onto the end of the stick that hasn't been in your butt.
In case you were out and didn't want to make sticks, you could use moss. Or fruticose lichen (tree moss, old man's beard). The lichen is better than moss because moss is wet. In an emergency, snow works, but it is very cold. Hay and other forms of dead grass work too.
This worked because poop was less sticky in the old days. The types of food they ate made their poop come out in solid pellet form. They did get stomach bugs with the associated loose stool, but simply had to take it for the nuisance it was. Maybe try to get hold on some water to clean off.
Edit: s/burning wood/firewood/ lest someone gets a really stupid idea...
Plato - 80
Socrates - 71 (sentenced to death)
Antisthenes - 80
Hippocrates - 90
Pythagorus - 75
The reason for the lower life expectancy was largely because of people dying during childhood and infancy. And so it makes one immediately wonder about things like this. Sharing poop rods seems like a great way to spread disease, yet on the other hand the immune system, like much of our body, becomes stronger with use -- the whole concept behind vaccines.
Put another way, it seems to me that we're not living as long as we 'ought' be. What would the life expectancy of these peoples be if you gave them their culture and style of living, yet also threw in only imminent life saving interventions from modern medicine? Based on limited data it seems it would begin to challenge the life expectancy of man today, certainly if we exclude the mortality of childhood and infancy. Though perhaps that is also part of the picture. Vastly improved care for infants and children has removed natural selection from that part of humanity.
No idea, but each time I read one of these alien sounding tales, it certainly sparks the imagination!
 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ancient_Greeks
 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ancient_Romans
We poop almost every day, so it makes sense to try to make the experience pleasant. Some day when I own a place, I'll probably get one of those amazing Japanese toilets. Or at least an $800 seat: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B009IJ2NBI?ref=emc_b_5_t
Coming to India, I have been to a lot of toilets in different places and it's hard to find the ones _with_ a toilet roll. The only place I remember I couldn't find a hand shower was the Delhi airport. I was disgusted.
In fact most households use the 'Indian seats' with a lota (vessel pot) instead of the commode toilet. Many have both including my house.
Funnily, I'm actually currently relieving myself.
Why do you think it does not count?
It's a win win.
Anyone who spent a year is in a country like Japan or South Korea will have experienced that toilet paper is down-right barbaric compared to a jet of warm water appearing at the touch of a button gently rinsing the nether regions. You still use toilet paper, but only two sheets or so to dry up.
But when you go back to a country that uses only toilet paper you either have to go out of your way (and pay a lot of money to renovate your bathroom) to find the kind of modern automated toilet seat that does add the features you've just left behind, or you just do as everyone else does.
Having gotten use to the bidet, I now bring a bottle of water with me, and wet the toilet paper before wiping. It leaves me about as clean as with a bidet.
that made me laugh out loud :-)