Hacker News new | past | comments | ask | show | jobs | submit login

> Anything submitted to Facebook is the property of Facebook.

I'm not sure how you came to this conclusion.

Are we to accept that this is how it works simply because Facebook says this is how it works?




You accept that when you join.


Users didn't accept anything just because they checked a checkbox next to a link to an ever-changing jumble of legalese to get past a screen. This isn't agreement, it's manufactured consent.


Unfortunately no matter how many times you say this or how much you wish it were true, US (at least) courts have disagreed with you by enforcing contracts of adhesion.


I think we're in agreement, we're just saying things slightly differently. I believe human rights exist and are an ethical imperative whether or not lawmakers/courts choose to protect human rights.

Or put another way, the law should be (but often isn't) informed by human rights--human rights aren't informed by the law.


Extortion


That's like saying having to pay for any product is extortion, just because it's something you want but don't want the consequences of that, in that case paying for it.


Facebook's terms of services agreement that you must consent to in order to open or maintain your account. These are the rules not because Facebook says so, but because you say so when you agree to their terms.


Let's be clear here: I'm not the Facebook user in question. I've never uploaded a video to Facebook and never will.

Users didn't sign or agree to anything just because they checked a checkbox next to a link to an ever-changing jumble of legalese to get past a screen. This isn't agreement, it's manufactured consent.


> Users didn't sign or agree to anything just because they checked a checkbox next to a link to an ever-changing jumble of legalese to get past a screen. This isn't agreement, it's manufactured consent.

What is the difference? I am thinking if a person really actually cared they would have read the legal agreement before checking the checkbox in question and possibly consulted an attorney of their own. I am thinking most users absolutely do not care and agree out-right and immediately to all claims presented by Facebook. How is that not still agreement?


You can't claim users don't care about their videos not being deleted--the fact that they do care is exactly why this is in the news. They may click past a screen because they think that they don't care, but that's only because they don't understand the implications of doing so. Part of the reason is that a lot of people naively believe that a respectable company like Facebook wouldn't try to screw them over, and would behave with their best interests in mind.

It's unrealistic to expect that users will read AND understand the TOS of every website AND all of the changes to the TOS that occur over time.




Guidelines | FAQ | Support | API | Security | Lists | Bookmarklet | Legal | Apply to YC | Contact

Search: