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I believe in judging based on the facts in evidence rather than making assumptions about what happened.

CA acquired data from a third party which did not have permission to give CA the data. The Obama campaign did not do that.

Facebook required the third party (Dr. Kogan) to certify that the data had been destroyed. Dr. Kogan certified that the data had been destroyed, but did not do so. The Obama campaign did not do that.

These facts support the conclusion that nobody should have access to this kind of data, including the Obama campaign. They do not support the conclusion that the Obama campaign did the same thing as CA.

I also don't think you've provided evidence that the Obama campaign still has the data. If I've missed that please let me know.

I also noticed that you are conflating the Obama campaign with the Democratic Party. If you have evidence that the Obama campaign shared this data with the Democratic Party, you should also share that.




> I also don't think you've provided evidence that the Obama campaign still has the data. If I've missed that please let me know.

> “Where this gets complicated is, that freaked Facebook out, right? So they shut off the feature. Well, the Republicans never built an app to do that. So the data is out there, you can’t take it back, right? So Democrats have this information,” she said.

This is what Davidsen has said.

Also, as you said, they obtained the data legitimately. Why _wouldn't_ they keep the data around for future use?

> I also noticed that you are conflating the Obama campaign with the Democratic Party. If you have evidence that the Obama campaign shared this data with the Democratic Party, you should also share that.

Common freaking sense. It's a goldmine for future elections, they would be fools not to share it with the DNC.

Considering how much traction this story is getting, and considering that the Obama campaign used the same friend list "breach" to obtain data, they really should comment to the effect that they aren't keeping the data around. Otherwise, common sense says they are. That, coupled with Facebook's rather "it's OK" response to learning that they sucked down tons of data makes me think FB didn't make a big stink about deleting the data. If they did, they need to attest to that.


> Common freaking sense. It's a goldmine for future elections, they would be fools not to share it with the DNC.

Well, no. They'd be people who are violating their Facebook contract if they did.

When you live in the swamp, it's easy to assume everyone is dirty. The Obama campaign certainly used data in a way I personally find uncomfortable, which makes it even easier to leap to conclusions. However, there's no value in this conversation as long as you don't understand the difference between evidence and the things you want to be true.


We rarely get to deal in certainty; life is mainly degrees of probability.

It's very likely that the Obama campaign retained the data: I'd put it around 75%. Others have different assessments.

Lumping all uncertain things into one bundle of low probability is a massive category error.


> Well, no. They'd be people who are violating their Facebook contract if they did.

Again, who’s actually asking any questions whatsoever about their use of harvested social media data? You’re only in breach of your “Facebook contract” if someone cares to look into it in the first place. You still haven’t addressed the staffer’s claim that Facebook was freaked out about the campaign’s harvesting of data but then said they were “OK” with it. You trust FB to make a stink if the Obama campaign misused data? Seems to me like they were perfectly content to look the other way.




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