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Top bottled water brands are contaminated with plastic particles, study finds (japantimes.co.jp)
40 points by pmoriarty on March 15, 2018 | hide | past | favorite | 27 comments



Better reporting with links: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/mar/15/micropla...

The study was commissioned by Orb Media, who have more information on methodology and the full lab report: https://orbmedia.org/stories/plus-plastic


I used to buy a lot of water and can taste the plastic. Large multi-gallon jugs are the worst. Volume packaged small bottles can be bad too. If you wonder what to look for - drill a hole in a plastic bottle (had to, since the lid wasn’t opening) and look at at your own risk taste the water afterwards. You won’t forget the taste and will be able to detect it elsewhere. With BPA causing estrogen surges, it can be valuable to have some kind of detection mechanism, especially at conferences and events.


I drink tap water instead because the minerals are not filtered out of it.


Unfortunately it is not suited for drinking everywhere, even with a passive water filter.


looks like a subtle ad for San Pellegrino water (has the least, hence assumed to be the safest)


Most important line in the article, by far: (edit: if you happen to live in much of Europe, Japan, Canada, or the United States, among other places, like I do)

“Tap water, by and large, is much safer than bottled water,” said Mason.


But it's not. At least not in the countries they mention like China and Thailand.


How about lead in old pipes in parts of the city where the water might pass through? Lead seems more dangerous than plastic particles.

Any way to filter lead out with certainty?


Lead pipes are only a problem if the water is acidic and leeches the lead. If you're concerned you should get the water quality report from your water provider and/or have your water tested.

There are filters you can purchase for under $100 to filter lead. The EPA has a lot of information on Filtration Systems and the NSF certifies filters for Lead Removal.


Vote for legislators in November who promise to ensure that this issue is addressed. Lead poisoning is a real problem in the rustbelt and northeast, and should be addressed asap, ideally at the federal level. https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/lead-pipes-everywhere_u...


> Whataboutism (also known as whataboutery) is a variant of the tu quoque logical fallacy that attempts to discredit an opponent's position by charging them with hypocrisy without directly refuting or disproving their argument, which is particularly associated with Soviet and Russian propaganda.When criticisms were leveled at the Soviet Union, the Soviet response would be "What about..." followed by an event in the Western world.


I'm not a big fan of accusing people of whataboutism in general, but in this case, it's not even relevant. Your parent comment asked, "Ok, bottled water has plastic in it. I know that some tap water goes through lead pipes. Is tap water going through lead pipes still more healthy than bottled water with plastic in it?"

The question was a very reasonable one, and just happened to contain the phrase "what about".


Yeah, you're right. I understood their question differently as I brought along a defensive stance from a previous discussion.


>“It’s more urgent now than ever before to make plastic water bottles a thing of the past.”

Great way to end good research with retarded political statements. What exactly will replace plastic bottles?


Maybe we could build some kind of system of pipes which would convey potable water from a central treatment facility out to homes and offices?


But where exactly is the end-game profit in that? I'm not seeing how this idea could grow to be the next Uber.

Maybe if you had an app with a social or sharing economy component?


Anything that is not plastic. Plastic bottles should be banned. You can deliver water in aluminum, glass, cardboard, paper...plastic is just the cheapest and easiest thing to do and the massive externalities of the widespread use of plastic are harming us, the oceans and the environment at large.

As a side note, I often wonder why people defend the immoral actions of corporations. Corporations will defer the cost of absolutely anything when they are legally able to. “Oh we can make more money at the cost of the environment? Excellent, let’s do that”. Until someone comes along and says actually no, you can’t do that. And then the corporation is forced to make very slightly fewer billions upon billions of dollars.

Also, don’t use the word retarded.


Stainless steel and glass come to mind off the top of my head.

Edit: Also, regarding your choice of words: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ableism


Do you seriously propose that stores should sell stainless steel bottles of water?


You don't own a stainless steel water bottle? That seems wasteful.


You didn't answer the question: how do you propose stores sell bottled water if not in plastic bottles?


Bottled water should not be anything more than a niche product.

Returnable bottles would work, or "bring your own bottle" to refill.

These four products are in returnable bottles: http://akddistribution.dk/produkt-kategori/danskvand/danskva...


pistoriousp did a perfectly good job of answering this five minutes ago, but if you want a very specific answer that includes a product currently for sale, I'd point you to this: https://boxedwaterisbetter.com/pages/why-boxed-is-better


pistoriousp didn't really answer. Aluminum cans don't scale well to over 500ml (have you seen a 1.5lt bottle made of aluminum?), and even at 500ml they require pressurization to hold. Tetrapac is still plastic inside, but a lot more expensive, with lower lifespan and robustness and with much higher carbon footprint. It's probably a bit less vulnerable to plasticizer leaching but that's the only thing it can offer.

As for glass, I'm sorry, but this is the stupidest thing I've heard all week. You obviously don't understand anything about this issue if you propose to use glass for bottled water.


Glass is widely used and recycled in Europe.


Aluminium bottles with a threaded lid?


Aluminum can, TetraPak, and glass.




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