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Ask HN: Recent denial of H1-B visas for low paying IT positions systematic?
15 points by randomname2 on Jan 18, 2018 | hide | past | favorite | 6 comments
After hearing several anecdotes of renewals and new H1-B visas for lower paying IT positions being either in bureaucratic limbo or automatically denied (for positions where renewals would previously be rubber stamped), I wonder if these are these just rumors, or if this is unofficial policy now?



Didn't want to write all this but feel that people need to open their eyes and see whats going on. I for one am glad that something is finally being done after 35 to 45 years of bleeding our jobs to workers from other countries. These people were taking away our jobs and transferring them to Indian outsourcing firms. Essentially stealing jobs created here and moving them to India and the Philippians. Once you include all the manufacturing plants and know how that was transferred to China, Japan, South Korea etc.. ( rough estimate of just the manufacturing plants that were sent to China alone is 45,000 to 60,000)

China required American companies to transfer technology in order to sell in china. Once they got a hold of the transferred tech, they copied and built it on their own and they no longer needed to buy from American companies. They stole all our defense and engineering tech from our defense contractors as well.

All current tech that are the prime generators of jobs and profit were created or brought to commercial success here in the USA essentially for the defense of the nation during and after its major wars. Along with a great deal of standards in many disciplines (medicine, finance, Research and development , engineering, transportation, power generation and distribution, governmental oversight and judicial transparency etc.. can go on and on and on.) These standards were a huge give away since we had to spend enormous amounts of money and resources and decades to create them. They were given freely to our competing nations. They started with these standards that we had to spend a hundred years time money and resources to build and codify. And, Oh by the way, most of the engineering, computer science, math, physics, biology, chemistry texts and curriculum was translated and copied from American and European universities and taught in China, India, Korea, Japan etc.. all these countries depended not only on America to take our technology but also the training texts and know how to teach its workers and students. While we trained and cultured our students towards entertainment oriented fields, they recognized the value of physics, math, engineering, etc.. Subjects that America essentially created or dominated are now the domain of competing nations.

To top it all off, AI and bio/genetic engineering is now being co opted by china. If I were to list all the tech that is now permanently gone to our competing nations, its just too depressing.

The Indian tech companies are great at sending unqualified workers here with doctored resumes and work/education histories. They train their h1b workers to replace qualified American workers and pay them less. As an added bonus, they were given all the most private databases of American households and corporations without any regard to security, Hence, all the wonderful identity theft and sales calls from India and the Philippians.

A good part of the blame goes to wall street for enabling all this in order to maximize share holder value at the expense of the American middle class and, just as importantly , the American higher educational system that ill trained its students and workers for subjects that were needed in the new economies. The horrible professors and schools that were relying on outdated instructional methods to convey complex concepts in math and physics and engineering to the average to below average students. rather than just focusing on the few outstanding student, they should have focused most of the resources and effort on the average to below average students and they needed to be trained. These are the lost workers whose lives have been destroyed by the opioid crisis. Their tragic state was avoidable.

Wall street initially financed these foreign countries by investing in these corporations.

Japan, Korea, China, India, SE Asia etc.. all these nations have as their primary industries things that were developed and transferred in one form another from the USA.

Its nothing but tragic and sad and the future of American children i really feel sad for. The urban poor who should have benefited from Americas development lost it all to the countries mentioned above.

these industries and their know how will never come back to the USA, they are gone gone gone. All the lifetime of R/D and knowledge built by the past generations of Americans were summarily given handed over to these nations and they will never ever give them back. Its lost. They would never be stupid enough to do what we did and give away our jewels.

Meanwhile, bill gates and others like him are concerned about the worlds poor, which is fine, but they needed to be concerned a little more about the poor and middle class of America.


There's no reason to believe the us/them boundary should be drawn at the US border.

1. Many other nations contributed to the collective body of human knowledge throughout the history, which resulted in huge technological leaps (China, Muslims, and Europeans in different eras). Wanting to contain the knowledge sounds short-sighted.

2. In order to make better sense of the economic trends in the past few decades, one could also look at different classes of global citizens. The ruling or economic elite classes may be equally indifferent about the poor inside and outside US.


I think you're the one who needs an eye opener.

America does not have a monopoly on talent or knowledge. Stop counting on being born in the right place and blaming other people who work harder than you.


That’s a very limited view of the world and leans more towards isolationism as opposed to internationalism. Isn’t it true that the US economy and consumers have benefited greatly from: 1. cheaper Chinese manufacturing at the expense of China polluting its rivers? 2. capital pouring in from all over the world in US financial markets (sovereign wealth funds, pension funds etc)? 3. migrants and their children coming to America and starting businesses?

The global economy is forever changing. At one time, India’s GDP as a fraction of the global GDP was at 24+%. United States, and the whole world, has benefited tremendously when smart and motivated people devoted their lives in creating businesses, advancing science and technology. The key in strengthening this status quo lies in recognizing, accepting and nourishing this talent. The price paid in return, handful of malice enterprises gaming the visa, is fraction of the overall net gain.


I mean... isn't all that knowledge in books, patents, papers, Internet, etc. No need to 'steal away' anything?


We need to be savvy enough or real world wise enough to understand that our technical knowledge loss to these nations could and should have been kept from happening made very difficult to transfer such knowledge to these nations. We financed our own demise. More recently, Companies such as Global Crossing enabled the deployment of otherwise unaffordable means of connecting these nations to fast networks that allowed them to accelerate their taking away our jobs and technical know how. Suffice it to say that our retirement funds invested by wall street firms financed companies like "Global Crossing". By the way, for all those people whose retirement funds were invested in Global Crossing, they lost it. The Chinese army known as the PLA has a unit devoted purely for hacking into American and European defense contractors in order to steal and suck away every last bit of engineering data. Any way I will stop. I should not have opened my mouth. sometimes its better to shut up.




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