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"The people still fighting this war of decentralization remind me of the Japanese soldiers[2] who didn't realize WW2 was over. You lost. No one cares about decentralization. Google won. Amazon won. Facebook won. "

Fuck no and I hope the real hackers (not the business people pretending to be hackers) fight this forever until they win. Decentralization is not dead, is the backbone of the principles of the internet, and I find your casual dismissal to be extremely miopic on the subject, and the subservient acquiescence of it disappointing.

Fuck google, amazon and facebook. They aren't the internet, and they aren't going to last forever.

Now, to back it up a bit, I do have some criticisms of what I call extreme decentralization. A relevant past comment of mine: "As a sysadmin, any time I read some variation of; "At some point even data centers may become a thing of the past.", I know they don't know what they are talking about. As a matter of fact it has provided much joy through laughter (followed by required sysadmin scotch) at the show "Silicon Valley" for obviously parodying the issue. Datacenters aren't going anywhere, and this strange fascination in hipster-hackers with instant uber-decentralization-pushes concerns me because it ignores some of the more real (and fixable) issues at hand like dns centralization in favor of magical "p2p(+blockchain) will save us all" thinking not backed by much real world practical implementation.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a darknet, meshnet supporter. I love decentralization. That said, I support the establishment of the infrastructure required to support it independent of end-user devices, and I think for security and other purposes it's at least possible they should remain separate, and devs shouldn't assume so much right to cpu-cycles.

So in essence the topology I think that is preferable would be properly called decentralized-distributed.

Of course thats part of the reason I support things that go against that common grain, such as ipv6nat."

The key point being that I think the proper terminology of the current internet is decentralized-distributed. Those who ignore the distrubuted part of decentralization are going to have a tough time, but in the same vein those who ignore decentraliztion in favor of distribution are also going to have a hard time.

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