> That's my whole point, it was legal before and they weren't "making money illegally" (as the parent claimed), hence my the need for new laws.
Yeah, once upon a time, murder was legal, and people weren't "murdering illegally", so why the need for a law against murder?
> It's not illegal in the US, from which they are operating. That's what matters.
Well, if you aren't interested in reality, why are we even discussing?
> Close to 100% of porn sites are probably doing things illegally from a German legislative point of view. They're making money off of horny Germany nonetheless.
>> Yeah, once upon a time, murder was legal, and people weren't "murdering illegally", so why the need for a law against murder?
The POINT is that the parent claimed Facebook is acting illegally, my point is they were not!. There's no argument against the law itself to be found within that, you can stop trying.
>> Well, if you aren't interested in reality, why are we even discussing?
What are you talking about? I am discussing reality. You must be missing the point again, which is the following: Even if something is illegal in Germany, you can not enforce German law on every company that stands to profit from a German audience. Therefore, if you want to use German law to "teach" those companies, you're out of luck.
As a German myself, I am very glad about this, because (for example) I don't have to wait until 10PM and verify my identity to consume government-sanctioned pornography, as German law would require. You don't see a lot of people asking for respect and enforcement of those laws, yet as soon as it comes to "hate speech" the nanny-state-conformists come out of the woodwork...
>> German law itself limits its geographic applicability, and therefore that limit can be changed just as any other rules in the law.
The porn law applies in the same way that the hate speech laws apply, insofar as they're dealing with German "customers".
> The POINT is that the parent claimed Facebook is acting illegally, my point is they were not!
Except they weren't? Not respecting the law is not the same as acting illegally. If a Chinese manufacturer exports toxic food to Germany, is that illegal (according to German law)? For all I know, it's not. Does that mean that they are respecting German food safety regulations? No. Would it still be a problem if Chinese manufacturers exported toxic food to Germany? Yes. Does the fact that exporting toxic food to Germany is not illegal mean that it's not legitimate for Germany to try and find ways to prevent export of toxic food to Germany using its legal system?
> Even if something is illegal in Germany, you can not enforce German law on every company that stands to profit from a German audience.
Well, true? How is that relevant to Facebook, say? As far as I know, Facebook is not every company?
> Therefore, if you want to use German law to "teach" those companies, you're out of luck.
So, you are saying the German legislative effort known as NetzDG is not having any effect on how Facebook behaves?
> As a German myself, I am very glad about this, because (for example) I don't have to wait until 10PM and verify my identity to consume government-sanctioned pornography, as German law would require.
So, because you disagree with a specific law, you think the German state should not enforce any laws on foreign corporations? Because you think that German limits on porn are idiotic, you think an American bank defrauding German customers should not be held accountable, say?
> You don't see a lot of people asking for respect and enforcement of those laws, yet as soon as it comes to "hate speech" the nanny-state-conformists come out of the woodwork...
Which has what to do with whether laws should apply to foreign companies exactly? Are you seeing a lot of people asking for enforcement of porn laws against German companies?
> The porn law applies in the same way that the hate speech laws apply, insofar as they're dealing with German "customers".
I'm not sure it does, but in any case: Is it really a good state of affairs that it's enforced selectively-ish? It's not exactly protecting the constitutional rights of porn stars and porn producers in Germany, is it? Sure, overall, it might be better that at least foreign porn is accessible unrestricted than none at all, but is that an argument for selective enforcement, or not rather against restrictions of porn?
Yeah, once upon a time, murder was legal, and people weren't "murdering illegally", so why the need for a law against murder?
> It's not illegal in the US, from which they are operating. That's what matters.
Well, if you aren't interested in reality, why are we even discussing?
> Close to 100% of porn sites are probably doing things illegally from a German legislative point of view. They're making money off of horny Germany nonetheless.
http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/stgb/BJNR001270871.html#BJ...
German law itself limits its geographic applicability, and therefore that limit can be changed just as any other rules in the law.