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Sure they can measure such things if they can define it. Only problem is that we disagree on their measurements and they aren't set in fact. It is really similar to the drug policy measure arguments. You know, "druggies will be walking the streets" and "young folks will start using and have no reason to avoid it!"

And more of the society will crumble sorts of bits.

It really doesn't matter if there are benefits or not in other countries, just like it doesn't matter if legal gay marriage hasn't doomed other countries. Facts aren't an issue in these sorts of disagreements, unfortunately.

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