Tillman had, at the time, an ongoing correspondence with Noam Chomsky on the illegality of the Iraq War and how he felt betrayed.
Edit: Whoops, missed the “elite” part of that quote.
Stories like this suggest that perhaps after years of continuous wartime service there are some cracks in the armor.
Tillman was already dead. So no one turned against him (friendly fire happens a lot) they tried to save their ass after he was dead. A mistake, but they didn't kill him on purpose.
> “You can’t win an investigation on us,” one former SEAL Team 6 leader told me. “You don’t whistleblow on the teams … and when you win on the battlefield, you don’t lose investigations.”
ARSOC is going to be out for blood here. This is going to be the mother of all command investigations.
Indeed, but this supports my point, no? If things have got to the point where brazenly fragging a Green Beret in base starts to look remotely like something you might reasonably do and might have decent odds of getting away with, then it seems probable the chain is already off completely when it comes to dealing with 'lesser lifeforms'.
Team guys are meatheads but they're not stupid. If they had thought through their alleged crime ahead of time, they likely would have done it in a less self-incriminating way.
I do think your point about a culture of impunity in the Teams might be valid to the extent that it might explain why the two accused (allegedly) thought it doable to embezzle HUMINT funds. Assuming the proceedings are open (likely that AFSOC wants this and will make it so), I'm sure we'll all find out all the shitty details in the coming months.
I don't know why I didn't believe you at first, but I was wrong.
I don’t know if they will be hanged, but I agree that the military tends to have swift justice. Fortunately there are still men and women with integrity working in and for our government.
Not for capital cases, which themselves are quite rare. The military hasn't executed anyone for over 50 years. There are people on death row, the one closest to execution was convicted in 1988.
There are millions of people working in and for the government. Its only natural that a few with integrity would slip through the cracks.
If I could show you a ‘massive amount of evidence’ that deterrence does not work, would you reconsider?
The problem I have with the death penalty is not that these people deserve to die. Many of those condemned to death certainly do deserve to die. The problem is that many of them certainly don’t deserve to die and some of them are almost certainly innocent, and a few have even been proven to have been innocent. All in service of a justification that holds no water anyway. It’s a form of punishment that leads down a slippery slope into deeply immoral territory and has twisted the US justice system into contortions.
So while some criminals do deserve death, I’m willing to accept merely locking them up for the rest of their natural lives instead. Sometimes it turns out those condemned to death didn’t deserve it after all and the use of such a divisive and irreversible sanction makes getting to the truth in such cases very difficult.
Can we try to focus on intellectual gratification? It's better to teach each other about the world.
100% agree with you. Let me try: they are some people who do horrible, horrible things. Unless they are punished severely, other bad people might not fear the consequences. Death or life in jail is an ongoing discussion among different people
But yeah I agree that skimming money is definitely dishonorable discharge territory, and possibly time in Leavenworth, but definitely not capital punishment.
Edit: in this story the victim is SF but the two SEALs are not. All three are SpecOps
That is: in English, “special forces” and “special operations” are interchangeable descriptions, but the Americans broke this by naming a group of their special operations troops as “The Special Forces”. Much like the Brits and “The Royal Navy” rather than “a royal navy”.