We will share ... your account registration information (such as your user ID, gender, name, email address, postcode & age), your content and advertising interests, content associated with your account, the types of services you use and how you engage with them, cookie and device IDs, IP addresses, geolocation information and activity information from across our websites, apps, software and other services. All of the information that we collect about you may be shared across the various Oath brands and within our Verizon family of companies.
A fun test would be to post the data sharing policy of various services/apps and see how often someone posts a comment like this. Someone always posts a comment like this and it always feels, to me, like a knee-jerk reaction.
They've had your data for years (and were previously not only irresponsible but likely shared it with countless other partners), what has changed now?
Just because Yahoo is forthecoming about that they're sharing data, rather than selling it and not telling, thats grounds to close your account? I'm not saying you shouldn't, just odd to always see this comment.
> They've had your data for years (and were previously not only irresponsible but likely shared it with countless other partners), what has changed now?
This seems like it cuts both ways.
To be sure, Yahoo's data handling was reprehensible before the acquisition also. But if this reminds some people to pay attention to that, it's all to the good - I don't actually expect things to get better. Deleting or restricting your Yahoo presence was probably the right decision 1 or 3 or 5 years ago, but that doesn't mean it's wrong now.
More broadly, there's normally an argument for distrusting ISPs and mobile carriers even more than internet companies; they can correlate with physical presence, have a history of shockingly immoral behavior, and have repeatedly colluded with state surveillance far beyond what they were compelled to do.
I'm not sure how relevant any of that is in Yahoo's case, though, since they've basically alternated between handing user data to the government and handing it to literally everyone in the world. You're certainly right that anyone who only lost faith in their data security now has been in trouble for a long, long time.
> They've had your data for years (and were previously not only irresponsible but likely shared it with countless other partners), what has changed now?
To be honest, it's already in the wild when they where hacked and everything was stolen. 3 billion accounts. [1]
The parent comment you're replying to is not telling people they should close their account, or even making a fuss about the data sharing. She's just giving people information that people might find helpful. Services like this often have labyrinthine processes for closing accounts, so it's nice to have a quick link for how to do it.
Note that Yahoo's account integration is weak and weird so you may wish to manually delete things linked to your account first.
For example, if you have any Yahoo Groups you own, you should either delete them or transfer ownership first, as Yahoo has basically left that area on life support only and won't even promote a member to a moderator, let alone owner after a poll anymore -- so there are groups basically accumulating spam, with public posts that need to be deleted, or just unable to get new members.
I have no idea. I know that my providers avoid sending covered information to my email, they send me a notification to log into their messaging system.
Um... Yahoo has nothing to do with HIPAA since they don't deal with medical information at all.
You don't email medical records or information in the first place, you "secure message" them through an encrypted channel. An example of such a service is RelayHealth.
> We will also delete or anonymize your account data and settings across the Yahoo network. This includes the contents of your Yahoo Mail, Yahoo Messenger, Yahoo Contacts, Business Mail services provided with your Aabaco Small Business account, My Yahoo settings and more, including your Flickr photos and the statistics for your Flickr account, if applicable.
The degree to which the Yahoo acquisition was purely negative for Flickr users still astounds me.
It's terrible. Do you know any site similar to it that's as good as flickr used to be (i.e: being able to view/download original size pictures, and all the EXIF data galore)?
If you didn't know by now, assume it on all services. They promise the moon and then change the Privacy Policy when Wall Street demands 30% q2q growth.
Q: Why am I receiving this notice?
A: We would like to inform you in advance that, as of 18 September 2017, Yahoo and Oath plan to share some user information within the Verizon family of companies which will enable us to integrate our business, allowing us to coordinate more and improve your experiences.
Hate to break it to you, but everyone has already shared Yahoo's user information
Verizon just informed me of this fantastic new service they want to sell me where I can create my own caller id signature for my phone calls. They specifically state they aren't editing/approving them, so I can be "Princess Di" or "Donald Trump" if I want.
Now I know why all my spam calls the last few days have been from people with full caller ID signatures that make it look like they are in my contacts already. These are the people in charge of protecting your private information at Yahoo.
This is the kind of thing where we start coming up with these ideas that might actually work, but then some Chinese bot calls you with the ID MOM 911 YOU HAVE WON EMERGENCY.
Let's say I run company A, and Company B wants to buy all of my user's information but I've already created policies that say I won't share user information with 3rd parties.
Usually there's a unilateral T&C alteration clause, so you can do what you like just change the terms first. Change them right back a microsecond later if you like?
Just word it "not share with unrelated third parties" and it reads like "no sharing" but of course any party you're selling too is related by contract.
No-one reads the terms really, well I'd guess <<1%?
Probably what's needed is a general framework from law about not sharing without explicit consent banning the company; and that personal data expires in a company transfer/sale without consent (but perhaps a lower bar there).
Sometimes programmers' minds get infected with the idea that the whole world, especially courts and regulatory agencies, are just little virtual machines that will dutifully execute based on whatever steps you lay out at the beginning. They're not. Machines can't call bullshit on you, but people will.
I think that comment makes the mistake twice over, even. First, because T&C are (usually) not an immutable contract - companies can just change them without any legal shenanigans at all. Then second because, as you say, actions taken just to circumvent laws are usually themselves illegal.
It is pretty baffling to see how often programmers talk about law like it's an algorithm. Even the DAO didn't work out that way, and that was explicitly intended to turn contracts and law into algorithms. If that didn't resist social pressure to redress harms, why would we expect actual humans to do so?
(And frankly, thank god the law doesn't work like that. I don't want to live in a world where legal loopholes open up as often as software vulnerabilities.)
Technically, of course you can, but practically, if someone sued, you would probably have a hard time convincing others that you are complying with your own policy. It's probably easier to just to change your ToS/privacy policy.
Most privacy policies have an "out" only for acquisition of substantially all of the assets of the parent org.
The reality is that if you're considering selling the golden goose of all your user data then you might as well just sell the business outright and be in 100% compliance without the expense of the proposed convolutions or risk of FTC ire.
With not a damn thing your users can do short of trying to delete their accounts.
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Oath promises to connect over a billion people to a stable of brands that they love. The is Oath's promise, feel the .
“This is our promise to you. To connect your brand to over a billion crazy in love [in love with brands] people.“ https://www.oath.com/ [Can you kick it? Play video]
It's in the barftastic marketing-speak copy in the video.
> as of 18 September 2017, Yahoo and Oath plan to share some user information within the Verizon family of companies which will enable us to integrate our business, allowing us to coordinate more and improve your experiences.
Might want to finally ditch your yahoo email address. ;)
I've been liking Flickr less and less with Yahoo's decline and the tie-in to Yahoo accounts. The only reason I have a Yahoo account is because it was required for Flickr.
For my own uses, been thinking of self-hosting something like Zenphoto on a subdomain.
GSuite would be Google. I don't think an advertising company is really going to be that much better than Verizon. And if I just want 1TB of online storage I have better options. The question was about a "photo sharing" application not unlike Flickr.
SmugMug possibly although I haven’t looked at them in ages. Premium photosharing sort of fell out of favor as a product category.
Honestly it’s CC search that I value most about Flickr though. I don’t really do the social aspects and I could always find an alternnative personal hosting option.
I have never heard the unmodified word "oath" used to indicate anything less than positive. Only very rarely is it used in any negative sense, and then almost always with some sort of descriptor -- "Bloody oath", as you say
Are you from AU by chance? Urban Dictionary seems to indicate 'oath' is slang over there
Is it really an obscenity? Closest I've heard "oath" used as an obscenity is "bloody oath" or words to that affect, which means exactly the same as "damn right". Bloody and damn are both mild swear words, but haven't seen "oath" used as an obscenity in its own right.
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