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> No.


It's not just because people forget to turn Wi-Fi back on.

Radios are "off-ish" because they remain on for other Apple devices and services, but off for other uses.

What actually happens in iOS 11 when you toggle your quick settings to "off" is that the phone will disconnect from Wi-Fi networks and some devices, but remain on for Apple services.

Location Services is still enabled, Apple devices (like Apple Watch and Pencil) stay connected, and services such as Handoff and Instant Hotspot stay on.

I disconnect from Bluetooth daily because my TV soundbar or wife’s car in the driveway picks up my audio output. I’ve never intended that action to disconnect my Apple Watch. iOS 11 is an improvement for me in that regard.

Since it turns back on automatically at 5am, I have to remember to hard turn it off, otherwise it connects my alarm to my living room bluetooth speaker. Took me a couple days to figure out what was happening. Frustrating for me.

> Yes.

HN audience doesn't represent the typical iphone user. The typical iphone user appreciates privacy but is less concerned about transmitting devices than about the phone bill. I'm sure there are people who always remember switching wifi back on (or have a true unlimited contract) but most (including me) are not part of that. I see why this feature can be viewed as critical but think it'll be an improvement for the vast majority of users.

Ideally, they would've provided a switch in the settings to allow iOS10 behaviour. Maybe they'll bring that with a later version.

I don't have any other Apple devices. And no, long pressing and toggling is not disabling it on < 6s.

I think they just fucked up.

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