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I had to just check, yep it is the 21st century.

The 21st century is not as homogeneous as you think. Not every country will have the same cultural timeline as the USA, and it's odd to me that comments like yours are so prevalent. The world is bigger than america. Comments like this just seem incredibly self-centered, and a bit culturally supremacist.

Why is the OP automatically deemed an American for expressing cynicism? Its amazing that you yourself see no hypocrisy in making such discriminatory remarks based on what you perceive another's nationality to be.

The 21st century might not be homogenous but please name me one other place on the planet where women can't drive, where women can't open a banking account[1], or where women can't enter a Starbucks[2] or where there are public beheadings on Fridays[3]

Actually name one other place that even comes close to that level of chauvinism and barbarism. That cynicism is not without merit.

[1] http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/five-thi...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deera_Square

[3] https://www.eater.com/2016/2/1/10885722/saudi-arabia-starbuc...

To your first point, I could/should have replaced "America" with "western culture", but it originally made the sentence less clear. I noticed the hypocrisy =)

To your second point, I was not talking about the specifics of Saudia Arabia, but rather the common idom of going "what centry is this" with respect to judging other cultures. People forget that western history is distinct from world history. And it feels a bit supremacist too - "Western culture is at X point, so everyone should be at X point"

Saudi's polity is as modern (as '21st century' if you like) as that of the US. Wahhabism and the 'Western Enlightenment' were each 18C movements, distinctly 'modern'.

The notion that history is a linear, unidirectional & inevitable march of progress is highly contestable (to say the least).

Not in Saudi Arabia.

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