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I think I'm one of those graybeards.

I see it in so many things tech. It's a pattern, and once you've seen it repeat a half-dozen times and also gain a depth of experience over that time, you can actually recognize when something represents genuine progress vs yet another passing fad. Spoiler alert: those that are most rabidly promoted are often the latter.

But, if you try to raise the point in the midst of the latest fad, you generally get shouted down. So, you wait until the less-jaded figure it out...again. It was plainly obvious for NoSQl, just as it now is for SPAs (or at least our current approach).

Don't believe me? Wait 5 years.

And, the thing with SQL that's so much like other tech is that we largely figured it out years ago. Improvements have been incremental at best and, frequently, not improvements at all.

My beard does in fact have some gray ;) , and I've never stopped beating the SQL drum. One other thing you learn is that data always outlive whatever app is using it today. I want my data to be stored in a safe way, and self contained apart from whatever flavor of the month app is generating/using it today. RDBMSs are perfect for this.

Oh, I generally agree.

I didn't mean the graybeard in a bad way at all.

I feel a bit 50-50 on some of the reactions to JSON as a new thing at the time. But, also the practicality of how JSONB finally came to exist, the foundation it was built on and the new index types[1] in Postgres to leverage it felt like it came in the right time and in the right way.

[1] http://www.craigkerstiens.com/2017/03/12/getting-started-wit...

>I didn't mean the graybeard in a bad way at all.

Oh, no offense taken. What you read in my comment was genuine recognition on my part that I've likely crossed over into the graybeard camp--both in experience and disposition.

>I feel a bit 50-50 on some of the reactions to JSON as a new thing at the time.

Yeah, there have certainly been real improvements in tech that are perfectly reasonable. And, actually, I think it's the incremental improvements that add up over time which actually comprise the bulk of our real progress.

I think where things get off track is when we make sudden pronouncements that we must now cease doing everything we've done heretofore with tech Y in favor of new and shiny tech X. Every use case. Period. Whether it's killing XML because, JSON or killing SQL because, NoSQL or adopting J2EE for every "enterprise" app, or never writing Vanilla JS again because, Framework Fill-in-The-Blank; the list goes on.

There's just a tendency in the tech community to lurch in different directions with this extreme vigor. But, when you really think about it, once the foundations are laid there just aren't many quantum leaps that truly merit such strong reactions.

And, what's really strange is that we somehow manage to overlook glaring weaknesses in the new tech, and likewise disregard (or even impugn) the strengths of the tech we're displacing in ways that are obviously unfavorable. For instance, suddenly deciding we don't need ACID transactions. What?

You see that stuff and it's an automatic, "yeah, this will all blow over soon". We then generally a.) forget it ever happened or b.) settle into assigning the proper use-cases, adopting/integrating the best properties of the tech, and moving on. Incremental.

It is greybeard or graybeard?

American spelling is gray, English/UK spelling is grey.

Easy way to remember is use "a" for "American" in the American spelling, and "e" (for English) in UK (and presumably the rest of the Commonwealth).

In American English, both "grey" and "gray" are considered acceptable and it's not uncommon to see both used here in my part of the US. Personally I usually write "grey" but if it's a particularly dark shade I might say "gray" - but that's personal preference rather than any convention I've seen elsewhere.

EDIT: There do seem to be a couple of blogs that come up in Google pushing the idea of a difference between US/UK spellings, but that's definitely not something I or most people I know grew up with. Other search results indicate that there is only a modest correlation with location. Perhaps it goes more one-way, with both being in common use in the US but "grey" exclusively preferred in the UK?

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