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> Losing is fun ~ Dwarf Fortress Motto

I'm on basically the same boat. One of my biggest frustrations with my gaming friends is that they can't ever lose. Sometimes they can't even win unless they win by enough.

When I play games I'm there to have fun. Trying to win is fun, winning is fun, losing is also fun. It's all fun.

DotA, LoL, etc would be games I'd play a lot if the community weren't the shining example of "can't lose, or even win by less than they `should have`".

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