I haven't seen any insults here, just people commenting from a seemingly pro-Erdogan perspective. What's the reasoning behind that?
EDIT: Specifically I'm referring to diminish's comment from ~1 hour ago.
EDIT: here's the flagged comment:
Downloading the app wasn't the only reason they are under arrest. The app mentioned isn't available to anyone, but could only be used if you were endorsed by 2 members of the US-based cleric Fethullah organization. It's only "one" of the reasons people are under arrest. Most of their logs of conversation, and with whom they spoke is the main reason why they are under suspicion.
The app was used extensively during the military coup attempt, executed by the members of the Fethullah organization - which killed around 250 and wounded 2000-3000 civilians during last years military coup attempt.
Read Sedat Ergin articles on hurriyet.com.tr if you truly want to get informed about the court case against the military coup attempt. He is a well respected investigative journalist (definitely not pro-Erdogan).
That said, this:
> The app mentioned isn't available to anyone, but could only be used if you were endorsed by 2 members of the US-based cleric Fethullah organization.
Seems flat out wrong? Bylock isn't available in the Norwegian Google play store (or indeed anywhere now - it's been unpublished?), but appears to have been generally available?:
Note the top comment (troll):
> COUP PLOTTER wrote
> Should have just used Orbot any old xmpp chat client. Now we're all jail. See you next time :D
> 13. Oktober 2016
But it still doesn't justify deleting diminish's comment imo. I prefer to see both sides of the picture, not just the side that suits my own believe the best.
The military which had a critical role in preventing exactly this from happening was gutted.
The judicial system has been gutted.
And how we got here was pretty clear 10-15 years ago when the hardliners started taking over the education system knowing that from then on its just a question of time.
What you said is true for an occupier because for them it's a cost benefit calculation and they can always go back home.
For a national dictator it's a life and death calculation.
Erdogan at this point cannot step down without facing trial or exile in his future.
Egypt wen't from Mubarak to defacto Erdogan under the Muslim Brotherhood then back to Mubarak 2.0 after the military took over because the MB was a nightmare.
Egypt was a much more complicated issue while force was used during the protests Mubarak had hardly had an iron grip over the people, and for the most part as far as dictators go history will remember him as someone who actually wanted to move Egypt forward he was a patriot which is a rare vice for dictators.
Also, if a fighter jet pilot really wanted to level the parliament, he would. Just think about it. It is all a big show. This is the only likely explanation. It is 1984 all over again. Everyone fears that their economy will get worse, so they try to keep status quo.
I'm not judging. Everyone has a right to fear. I'd also vote akp because I also fear losing my family. Screw courage. Just saying it is obviously fake and government extorts people using economy, and people know this.
Which makes it a bit odd to impose sanctions on Turkey; should we impose sanctions on people because of the laws that they (indirectly) have chosen for themselves?
For example Saudi Arabia, where if you say that you are atheist you are punishable by death and will be. But instead of sanctions, US, UK, France and others do multi-billion arms deals with them.
"In March 2014, the Saudi interior ministry issued a royal decree branding all atheists as terrorists"
Turkey is arguably more important geopolitically especially at this tense time in regards to Russia.
They have a large and growing economy which isn't tied to a single resource.
They have a very large and capable army and are a NATO memeber.
They are still not beyond the point of no return which a large portion of their population being compatible with western liberal values.
Turkey is a country which you can actually help, Saudi Arabia is pretty much the opposite.
The most critical contracts are these two (number three is state-owned):
2. Vodafone (100% Vodafone)
Society has yet to develop a successful and long lived method of controlling it's actions in a way that doesn't grossly mistreat people (and people who associate with them) who threaten the status quo with rapid change.
Ignoring that, this article also says otherwise regarding "two members" had to authorize you in order to use it:
> ByLock was available to everyone, it had been downloaded around the world and was in the top 500 apps in 41 separate countries.
> “It was downloaded over 600,000 times between April 2014 and April 2016 by users all over the world,”
It sounds like the reaction of a paranoid despot. It reminds me of the way Saddam Hussein's government would crack down on political dissent. And of course state propaganda would be used to justify it by saying only criminals were being punished.
So members of this sect give you a user name and 2 people must endorse you to get access. Also chat logs leading to the attempted coup attempt are acquired from an hacked server in Estonia.
If those logs demonstrated a clear connection to the coup then I'd see no problem with it. But that doesn't seem to be what is being sought here. They are trying to connect regular people, journalists, judges, etc with a political organization and punish them for it.