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XUL is still there, and there are no immediate plans to get rid of it. Mozilla has just decided that you dont get to use it anymore, the deadline is purely an administrative decision.

Its great to see they are going to drive firefox off a cliff with yet another anti-user decision.

The situation with popular extensions has improved, but there is going to be a lot of pain, especially with XUL functionality that they refuse to implement in WebExtensions.

https://arewewebextensionsyet.com/




The question is not about "XUL functionality" specifically, XUL is just an implementation detail, and html could work in its place just as well.

The question is how much the extensions can do, in the old model they could do anything firefox code could do, in WebExtensions model, they can do only very limited set of things.

On one hand it is quite sad to see firefox extensions go, on the other hand the old model was a maintenance hell both for firefox developers and for addon developers, because smallest changes in firefox ui were breaking bunch of addons, and even changes in addons themselves were breaking other addons, which all had incompatibilities and had to do lots of subtle hacks to work together.

I have worked on firefox addons for several years, and had to quit firefox when they started ignoring addons and investing in old addon sdk. But saying Mozilla is intentionally killing firefox is not fair the whole thing was shaky and full of hacks and would crumble by itself too.

What they should do now, is splitting their ui from the engine, so that advanced users can hack on the ui and get all the benefits of old addon system without the mess. If they fail to do that brave browser with https://github.com/brave/muon will take that niche.


The UI toolkit "XUL" is something different from the extension API "XUL/XPCOM".

And no, it's certainly not just an administrative deadline. For now, you can still tell Firefox Nightly to install legacy extensions, the vast majority of them are just by now completely broken, because Mozilla is ripping out all of that legacy code and refactoring what's left. Here's a list of all of the things that they can get rid of: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1347507


> XUL is still there, and there are no immediate plans to get rid of it

It's true it's still there, but I think the plan is using it less and less. No new UIs are written in it and many things have been rewritten from XUL to HTML5. Eventually it could be removed entirely.


longer term that is sensible sure, but the ecosystem is not ready for it.

Its amusing to me that mozilla expects everyone else to be moved off XUL, but not their own code because it has legitimate reasons....


They are moving everyone else off so they themselves can move off XUL.


It is my understanding that getting rid of XUL in favor of a less peculiar way to do UI is a necessary step to improve security and performance and get rid of a lot of legacy ballast that keeps Firefox from getting better. So there are some upsides to the transition. Time will tell whether it will be a success or whether it will "drive Firefox off a cliff". I don't think you can say a priori what the result will be.


I think you can say a priori, that a major remaining reason to use firefox over chrome is about to be eliminated.

Hilariously, dispite the pro-privacy stance mozilla pretends at, they want to start tracking urls visited

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15071492

Why keep using firefox? Because I love Mozilla so much when they clearly have zero interest in my needs as a user?




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