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> Fundamentally, accessing the database is executing remote code; the more you can package up into the query before it goes off and does anything, the better performance you'll see

The queries that most tend to be making just aren't that sophisticated. Relationships tend to be basic.

And I haven't even mentioned stuff that'd really, really hard to express/manage in pure SQL like tree/nested information that has to stay balanced [1]. Thanks django-treebeard/mptt and sqlalchemy-orm-tree.

> The closer an ORM's API is to a monad, the happier you'll be.

Developers using ORM's simply aren't caring about ORM's matching a certain construct. They care that models emit correct representations of their schemas and that the data is retrieved "fast enough".

Take it a different way: the best part about ORM's? They're effective 95% of the time, right out the box, so you end up avoiding time that'd be spent over and prematurely optimizing.

> IMO trying to shoehorn objects (in the OO sense, with polymorphism, data hiding and behaviour) into a database is wrong-headed.

Objects in things like SQLAlchemy declarative and Django Models map perfectly to generated SQL, so they also act as a way to generate migrations. It's that accurate. A lot of the relationships project's need expressed tend to be vanilla joins.

> Data hiding in particular is a wrong mental model for thinking about facts in the database, and the more is hidden, the harder it will be to reason about performance and bulk remote operations generally.

ORM's strive to hit a value sweet-spot in terms of code expressiveness, reducing duplication, handling the bread and butter relationships and types. That covers what most developers really need.

Perhaps there are projects out there not fitting to ORM's. Not all projects are sophisticated data mart projects, but even then, a good share of those still go back to simple joins at the end of the day.

And I've even gone as far as trusting heavy-duty stuff like django-mptt, along with plugins that filter and sort. I don't even look at the queries, all I see is they're running performantly. In all these years, SQL queries have never been a bottleneck. Maybe it's because I'm only storing simple stuff.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nested_set_model




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