> The Indian ID drive has ensured that benefits make it to the people who need
> them without 80% of it being skimmed by corrupt bureaucrats.
> Having a real identification gives very poor individuals the identification
> necessary to open bank accounts and interact with the financial sector.
> It's the first really reliable census data for a lot of areas.
> It's disgusting that Mozilla sits there and pontificates about stopping
> programs which solve problems _they don't have_. In 50 years, when a couple
> hundred million Indians aren't having trouble getting enough to eat because
> their government subsidies were stolen, then maybe it's worth having this
> conversation. Until then, shut up and and let India solve its own problems,
> and don't help people starve to death on account of your pompous moral
> litmus tests.
I often think about this when it comes to Indians reacting to critizims about
Except from the book "Restart"
> Then the denial, the one form of intellectual argument we have mastered.
> India has no problem; if it has a problem, it is nobody else’s business;
> everybody else also has this problem; everybody else has other problems, why
> don’t you talk about those instead; why are you saying this is a problem, it is
> a part of our 5000-year- old culture; we knew the answers to all problems in
> the Vedic era; even if we have this problem, it is not our fault; even if we
> have this problem, we cannot accept any of the solutions that have been shown
> to work elsewhere; even if we have this problem, it is much better than it was;
> perhaps we have this problem, but it is none of your business.
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Most Aadhar criticism comes from and is supported by
People who have lost money due to due to direct benefit scheme.
Those people accumulated lots of money over years by producing fake bills, extra names in the ration cards.
Aadhar card started to roll out in 2011 itself, How many of these privacy freaks had raise the voice and if they did, were they supported ?
Only after Aadhar started saving money for the poor, hence the money started drying out of pockets of those corrupt officials and contractors, does this activism against Aadhar has been supported.
Who are those people who were OK with Aadhar for 4 years, but are not OK now?
Now that Aadhar will be used for some more direct to benefit transfer scmehes, will you see more activists and more noise.
I will give you a hint.
How do you think does a 9 to 5 government employee is able to accommodate wealth to send his son to one of ivy leavgue schools or enroll him in a music class or send him to costly coaching classes or send him to top schools.
Where did that money came form?
Won't those sons oppose Aadhar whose dads tool bribe to accumulate wealth to make sure the son gets educated/skilled.
A lot of people thrive and plan their yearly budget based on bribe amount not salary amount?
Would not those people oppose Aadhar?
I still don't support Aadhar. Neither am I convinced. Neither am I appreciative of the arrogance of UIDAI and iSpirt team. UIDAI's claims of subsidy savings have been blown away by the CAG.
The aadhar critics argue in data while aadhar supporters use hypebole and try to appeal to emotions.
I will also welcome all methods which
- eliminate the middleman
- reduce the sense of entitlement from government officials
- abolish the need of standing in queues of people to pay bribe
- financially drain out all those government officials who plan their expenses based on bribe estimate not their actual salary
Aadhar's direct benefit scheme has actually done it.
You are just assuming.
My entire point was Aadhaar is dangerous in its current form irrespective of the government backing it. As for your dismissive comments on why not many people complained earlier (which is a bit dishonest to claim btw, there were quite a few who did, including the current PM and other politicians from the BJP, fwiw), the reason possibly was because it wasn't being forced down everyone's throat like it is now.