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>a penalty that shocked many inhabitants of the majority-Muslim country known for its tolerance and pluralism.

This made me laugh out loud. Obviously, some people equate "majority-Muslim" to "tolerance and pluralism," but I find it extremely contradictory.

To me, the sentence is practically satire.




Your reading comprehension fails you. The article refers specifically to Jakarta, which 1) is majority-Muslim and 2) has at least a regional reputation for tolerance and pluralism. It says nothing about Islam itself.

And to be blunt, Hacker News is not the place to discuss your religious opinions. Even if the article said what you thought it did - and it does not - it would be inappropriate to argue that part of it here.


The comment that ate itself. You are aware of views in all majority Muslim cultures or just feel like you know how all Muslims think?


> You are aware of views in all majority Muslim cultures or just feel like you know how all Muslims think?

Dated a Chinese-Indonesian girl, so have a view on this: There is ongoing discrimination against Chinese people who wish to express their culture. Which is an improvement over the race riots of the past.

They are hated as seen as wealthy through deceit and have to deal with crazy crap like people attacking their pig farms. Which I found hilarious until the same people then began attacking Bali.

As for personal freedom: laughing on public transport was enough for us to be accosted by a stranger telling us 'we don't act like that here'. No touching, no kissing, just lame jokes shared by members of the opposite sex.

Like Malaysia's infamous Kelantan region (from where the anti-Thai attacks are hatched), much of rural Indonesia is full of conservative Muslims who must be appeased. This conservatism is always at war with the secular urban populations. Sometimes it wins.

Try living in the shadow of an Islamic society. It's really really not fun.


How can a place be known for pluralism and tolerance if it literally jails people for blasphemy against the majority religion?

I can hardly think of a single Muslim-majority country that doesn't have absurd violations of basic human rights like this one.


Well there has been research done on "how Muslims think" and the views of majority Muslim countries: http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religi...

If I'm reading it correctly, it says that in Malaysia, 86% of Muslims believe Sharia should be the law of the land, with 62% of those wanting death for apostates. Overall, the global picture of what "Muslims think" is not pretty.


Most muslim-majority countries are generally oppressive, but are extremely oppressive to non-muslims, ex-muslims, or anti-muslim speech in any form..


They are two different axis. One can imagine intolerant Christian majorities just as much as tolerant Muslim majorities. One described the cultural practices and laws of the county and the other the religion of the majority of the country.




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