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also Canada, which soon will also consider mis gendering as hate speech.


>soon will also consider mis gendering as hate speech.

I think it should be up to the individual case; deliberate misgendering can cause significant psychological trauma and distress, especially if in multiple occurrence.


If they could only do the same to weasel-wording and stating falsehoods on the internet...

Too bad they, uh, aren't. [1]

[1] http://sds.utoronto.ca/blog/bill-c-16-no-its-not-about-crimi...


Did you read your own article?

"Non-discrimination on the basis of gender identity and expression may very well be interpreted by the courts in the future to include the right to be identified by a person’s self identified pronoun. The Ontario Human Rights Commission, for example, in their Policy on Preventing Discrimination Because of Gender Identity and Expression states that gender harassment should include “ Refusing to refer to a person by their self-identified name and proper personal pronoun”. In other words, pronoun misuse may become actionable, though the Human Rights Tribunals and courts. And the remedies? Monetary damages, non-financial remedies (for example, ceasing the discriminatory practice or reinstatement to job) and public interest remedies (for example, changing hiring practices or developing non-discriminatory policies and procedures)."


Yes, I did. And I understand it in the context of two things - discrimination and hate crimes.

Deliberately, consistently, and maliciously misgendering someone is discrimination.

Doing so while punching them in the face, or calling for the death of all trans-gender people is a hate crime.

The fact that this was added to both discrimination, and hate crime statues is a non-brainer.


>If they could only do the same to weasel-wording and stating falsehoods on the internet...

and thank god they can't, at least not for now. i can still say any bullshit i want on the internet, as is my right.

from your own article:

>Non-discrimination on the basis of gender identity and expression may very well be interpreted by the courts in the future to include the right to be identified by a person’s self identified pronoun

nice precedent

>Policy on Preventing Discrimination Because of Gender Identity and Expression states that gender harassment should include “ Refusing to refer to a person by their self-identified name and proper personal pronoun”. In other words, pronoun misuse may become actionable, though the Human Rights Tribunals and courts. And the remedies? Monetary damages, non-financial remedies (for example, ceasing the discriminatory practice or reinstatement to job) and public interest remedies (for example, changing hiring practices or developing non-discriminatory policies and procedures). Jail time is not one of them.

oh ok, no jail time, but i'm forced to hire someone that identifies as an attack helicopter, great!

>So what does this mean for pronoun misuse? Well, refusing to use a person’s self identified pronoun is not going to be considered advocating genocide – unless the refusal to use the pronouns was accompanied by actually advocating genocide against trans and gender non-binary folks.

so its fine unless i promote genocide, kinda makes sense but its still a slippery slope imo

>Similarly, it’s hard to see the refusal to use the appropriate pronoun –without something else – rising to the threshold of hate speech. Hate speech laws in Canada have only been used- and only can be used – against extreme forms of speech – explicitly and extreme forms of homophobic, anti-Semitic or racist speech.

so pronoun misuse is still legal, unless it gets to "extreme", whatever that means. and who decides what "extreme" is?

>Moreover, prosecution needs the approval of the Attorney General.

so in the end the attorney general decides..


Making it illegal to say something that's false is ridiculous.

That is a very, very bad idea.




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