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I think all he's saying is that there are jobs that you can solve either with JEE & XML or with Kotlin, and that for those choosing Kotlin is often the more efficient thing to do.

I'm more in the Spring camp, but most of JEE is annotations based. You can put a Betty backing under it without much problem. Spring Boot does it even more readily.

I'm not saying that Kotlin is bad, but most things are now pretty equal. Java 8 has functional/OO hybrid. It has annotations. It has modern tooling that converts the boiler plat into a few keystrokes.

Fair enough. I've been absent from the Java ecosystem for quite a while, so have no opinion or anecdata to share. It's good to hear though that there are multiple, sane options available to get stuff done.

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